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Battle Fury: Discuss
farfig1337
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Well the devs have proven that they are completely incompetent on there goal to make the GWF more viable for group as detail in the "Clarifications and Additions to Great Weapon Fighter Updates" They tried to make things better and only made them worse.
There are so many ways to give GWF an edge in being a more valuable member of a group I don't see why the Devs bothered to change popular GWF moves like Slam into something completely different to make things better. So I'm going to focus on the unpopular moves. One move at a time
Today we will Start with Battle Fury
Battle fury is a Self buff encounter for the GWF. It lasts about 5 seconds and has a 20 second cooldown. It Refills the GWFs stamina to full and increases the damage of at-wills and encounters and action point gain for the duration. Encounters are increased about 10% in damage and At wills are up about 30% (From testing at Rank 3). I will assume action point gain is around 15% from +10% from tooltips I assume it starts at 5% at level one. AP gain is not noticeable through the 5 seconds of testing.
As an Encounter that can increase the damage of your other two encounters by 10% with 15% more action points it really is not worth it compared to any other damage and action point gaining encounter you could choose. All I have ever used this for is to do TR runs as a GWF for the stamina refill. a GWF can outrun a TR doing Coin farms in GG this way.
Now with the goal in mind to make the GWF a more valuable member of the group I suggest making this buff as is a Party buff. Allowing the GWF to refil the entire parties stamina and give them bonus Damage and action point gain on at-wills and encounters.
Every class has a very good utility encounter to bring to the group. GF Knights Valor, DC Astral Seal, CW Repel, TR Smoke Bomb. GWF need one of there own to compare.
There are so many ways to give GWF an edge in being a more valuable member of a group I don't see why the Devs bothered to change popular GWF moves like Slam into something completely different to make things better. So I'm going to focus on the unpopular moves. One move at a time
Today we will Start with Battle Fury
Battle fury is a Self buff encounter for the GWF. It lasts about 5 seconds and has a 20 second cooldown. It Refills the GWFs stamina to full and increases the damage of at-wills and encounters and action point gain for the duration. Encounters are increased about 10% in damage and At wills are up about 30% (From testing at Rank 3). I will assume action point gain is around 15% from +10% from tooltips I assume it starts at 5% at level one. AP gain is not noticeable through the 5 seconds of testing.
As an Encounter that can increase the damage of your other two encounters by 10% with 15% more action points it really is not worth it compared to any other damage and action point gaining encounter you could choose. All I have ever used this for is to do TR runs as a GWF for the stamina refill. a GWF can outrun a TR doing Coin farms in GG this way.
Now with the goal in mind to make the GWF a more valuable member of the group I suggest making this buff as is a Party buff. Allowing the GWF to refil the entire parties stamina and give them bonus Damage and action point gain on at-wills and encounters.
Every class has a very good utility encounter to bring to the group. GF Knights Valor, DC Astral Seal, CW Repel, TR Smoke Bomb. GWF need one of there own to compare.
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By the way, I like the way your going through these abilities. Maybe some good discussion will come of it if no actual changes.
Daria - Dwarf Sentinel GWF (mistaken for Halfling a lot)
Karia (aka "The Pug") - Human Combat HR
Kayd - Human Conqueror GF - Retired
Partybuf would be nice, but maybe too much like the GF's Into the Fray. If the GWF is supposed to be a tank-like class, it could increase threat and last a bit longer.
For the cooldown to be as long as it is, the buff only last long enough to do a full couple of rotations of sure strike. lol.
I can definitely see Battle Fury's advantages, even in its current state... provided that the stars align and the moon shines in its full blue glory.
On paper, consistently hitting 5 targets with IBS with Battle Fury active more than makes up for lacking a third damage-dealing encounter. That damage gain over 5 targets is more than enough to make up for any other encounter you'd do without Battle Fury's buff. As for AP gain, I can imagine that also killing those 5 targets can provide with a great AP boost, but it pretty much requires the moon to shine blue.
Another tactic that once again requires a group of at least 5 mobs is to pop Battle Fury and then spam Punishing Charge. You'll hardly do damage to the bunch, but if you hit 5 mobs each time, the 30% gain amounts to extra 5% AP for each charge.
So, yeah.
My suggestions for making it more usable include one of the following:
- Dealing critical strikes increase buff duration by 1 sec.
- Still gives 20% damage to at-wills, but guarantees critical strikes on encounters.
- Its animation is removed.
Instigator with a splash of sentinel is the closest thing gwf has to this. ( Pick drow or tiefling for debuff) Allied opportunity + student of the sword
The point of this suggestion is to give GWF all GWF a power and another role to fill in PVE dungeons so there players will want to have at least one GWF in any dungeon run. I doubt that a very specific race and class spec can be enough to save the GWF.
How would you liked to be asked what race you are before being invited to a group?
Im actually fine having any assortment of party members in a group that is capable of completeing dungeons.
however the way the dungeons is designed, it favors CW and rogues too favorably. Not saying to nerf them.
But there needs to be a great essential to having a GWF in a group. They perform damage, its not really needed, they perform utlility, its not really needed, they perform some control which too is not really needed.
They dont need to be a great power house. But they need to have a wider range of useful abilities that render them useful.
In a way that when someone runs a dungeon, people dont think in the back of thier head "Hm. We could've used another rogue/control wizard instead".
The capabilities they have is just simply not enough in a group setting.
They are pretty decent in a solo setting and in pvp setting, of course there can be improvements there. But they greatly need help in a group envoirment.
Still this buff needs to last at least 10 seconds like Knights Valor does, or its not effective as a group buff.
There I would agree with you. That would be one step in the right direction