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TR are Simply Ridiculous in PVP
freedumb4eva
Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 342
Why is it a good design decision to allow TR to do such a high amount of damage at range while also being able to use an ability that makes them virtually immune to damage? Oh, and you can't CC them either.
Impossible to Catch - You break free from most control effects, and for several seconds you Deflect all incoming attacks and are immune to further control effects.
Stealth: You become completely untouchable to your enemies, dodging their attacks and receiving no damage.
Cloud of Steel - Toss a barrage of blades at your target, dealing medium damage. The longer you flurry a single target, the more damage Cloud of Steel will inflict.
This one is critting for 4k. Since it hits so quickly it is doing an insane amount of damage.
Courage Breaker - Shatter your enemy's courage, slowing their movement speed and lowering their attack damage dramatically. This effect goes through control immunities. Damage lowered by 30/60/90%.
Is 90% damage reduction really a great design decision? So, I can't CC the TR and if I try to fight him at all -90% damage if he has a daily up? I guess I'll just die then.
I am not even talking about the silly, "Hi I'm damaging you while being invisible," or the absurd high damage crits on opening strikes.
Something needs to be done about balanced damage in PVP. The way that I see it is there needs to be a weakness for TR. If they can do great damage at range and even more at melee, where is the balance?
Impossible to Catch - You break free from most control effects, and for several seconds you Deflect all incoming attacks and are immune to further control effects.
Stealth: You become completely untouchable to your enemies, dodging their attacks and receiving no damage.
Cloud of Steel - Toss a barrage of blades at your target, dealing medium damage. The longer you flurry a single target, the more damage Cloud of Steel will inflict.
This one is critting for 4k. Since it hits so quickly it is doing an insane amount of damage.
Courage Breaker - Shatter your enemy's courage, slowing their movement speed and lowering their attack damage dramatically. This effect goes through control immunities. Damage lowered by 30/60/90%.
Is 90% damage reduction really a great design decision? So, I can't CC the TR and if I try to fight him at all -90% damage if he has a daily up? I guess I'll just die then.
I am not even talking about the silly, "Hi I'm damaging you while being invisible," or the absurd high damage crits on opening strikes.
Something needs to be done about balanced damage in PVP. The way that I see it is there needs to be a weakness for TR. If they can do great damage at range and even more at melee, where is the balance?
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Join Essence of Aggression: PVP-ing Hard Since Beta!
Maybe the class your playing is not the one for you. Maybe you should play a rogue
There is absolutely no way that I'm going to be able to defend a node against a TR or attack one defended by a TR.
Over 4k on crits from a RANGED at-will while being immune to CC and/or nerfing my damage by 90%.
Then I guess we are both doing it wrong.
You clearly haven't played TR yourself. Nobody uses Courage Breaker, Most don't even invest points in it. I have 2 points in it and only because i needed to use those extra points somewhere. Also its not Cloud of Steel that hits you with 4k, it's Impact shot which is an encounter and has 3 charges. Cloud of Steel approximately deals between 600-900 on the first hit with reasonably geared rogue and if he stays still and keeps throwing daggers that damage grows. Also, majority of good TRs don't even use other damaging encounters except lashing blade which has pretty long cooldown and is pretty easy to dodge. Sure shadow strike deals damage but its nothing in pvp. It's only used as an utility skill to refill stealth. Next Impossible to Catch, it has also rather long cooldown and doesn't last very long. CW's are actually right now on par with burst damage in pvp with rogues. If you're having trouble you might want to check your class specific forums for tips etc, before shouting out that another class needs balancing. Currently everything is fine with the exception of gwfs unstoppable issues and some sort of issues with dcs. Also guardian fighters do abit too much dmg but I don't have my own gf @60 yet so can't say for sure.
Cloud of Steel does do a significant amount of damage, easily 4k. Impact shot on the other hand, I can personally hit over 14k with it.
The majority of TR's with the exception of perma-stealth do use more damaging encounters than simply lashing blade.
If you encounter a TR that only uses lashing and knives as damage then well, that's not a very good way to play.
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All the complaining about TRs and it's simply a learn-to-play issue.
People join PvP and die to some well-geared TRs then automatically go complain about it instead of bettering themselves.
There are countless strategies for each class to beat a TR- all you have to do is find them.
Although I realize this post won't mean anything, because the people complaining will just say some insult about me being a TR
Hyenas@zokir - Essence of Aggression
It's funny you say perma-stealth is not a good way to play.
In PvP I use only LB as damage encounter (at wills GC and CoS), and pretty much the same at PvE (DF instead of CoS).
Except for really hard time killing GF's, I pretty much never die. On dungeons I find myself always the last one alive, clearing bosses alone, sometimes without even using pots.
You are correct though that the main problem is people not learning how to play right.
Before I looked in the forums my skills points where all over the place, I didn't use the passive skills at all, and I didn't know how to counter anything. Few minutes reading and I'm way better now, and I don't even have good gear except for my blades.
I never said perma-stealth is a bad way to play.
I was referring to the rogues that ONLY use lashing and knives with no real strategy except to hit with lashing then run and use knives until they can lashing again.
And yeah, all pvp really takes is knowledge of the game.
Hyenas@zokir - Essence of Aggression
stupid developers!
developers riuned this class... no more money for perfectworld from me, the loose me forever
i am whaiting for Elder Scrolls online
If I play my rogue in PvP-gear with 9 K GS, I feel like the overlord of PvP, godmother of l33tness (tm), r0xx0r in pure form. I realy not want to know what I would be if my rogue had the same equip as my cleric. It would be like a god slaghtering sheeps.
Any rogue that dare to complain about their effictiness in PvP/PvE should simply shut up. They never played a devoted cleric. Otherwise, they would be glad to acutally play a rogue.
It's time to wake up and be realistic.
…. Or, how about we add some rogues in PVE too? An instance with only rogues stealthing around killing from stealth. Sounds like a fun instance!
Because getting hit by 31k followed by 28k from the same rogue on my 32kHP guardian is a sign that i really should learn to play ,right? RIGHT?
and this is with a full tank set, im not in timeless, so high defense and high deflect...
please, i understand that you guys dont want your class to be nerfed, but you have to admit that even with the nerfs you are still too overpower in pvp...
But i dont want anymore nerfs on any class, even rogues..
because as a tank, i need rogues to do DPS on the bosses , and all the pvp cry is crippling the pve part of the game..
Because his GF is made of plastic.
This is really funny in a thread about how OP Rogues are....IMHO Rogues are fine. I can still shred with mine in both PvP and PvE and I can still shred them with my other characters. Fact.