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A reason to play GWF?
samuraim0
Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 87
Seriously is there any reason any more for people to play as GWF's?
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You can put on a decent light show with daring shout and some sparkly enchantment on your sword.
"Is it better to be feared or respected? I say, is it too much to ask for both?" -Tony Stark
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ikr, is there a reason for me as a GWF to play?
What type of build do you have?
Destroyer, with 5 points spend on sentinel(unstoppable recovery) and instigator(Student of the sword)
Well that is your problem right there. Maybe try building a GWF better first before complaining on the forums
A good start = instigator.
I don't like whining, but at the moment there really isn't an objective reason to still play a TR when a GWF that can take much more punishment also does more damage.
And you complain about GWF?
Yesterday I saw a GWF take the last 15% of health bar away from the Pirate King alone, after the rest of the party, including me has been wiped. A hundred adds chased him around, he just kited, threw a Unstoppable at the King in passing and kited some more. He could have done the whole fight alone with enough patience and enough health potions.
The GWF Sentinel is still the most powerful and superior class in this game.
I'm a 14k GwF with perfect vorpal, full dps... I did a skirmish today and the Gf in the pt with 13k GS easily out dps me...
The class is so bad now it isn't even funny
So you're telling me a path on GWF is weak because it's missing 10 points?
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That is what most people don't get.
TR basically have had ONE power that did all their damage: Lurker's Assault, a daily. That one power was basically the only source of the TR's boss killing abilities.
That has now been nerfed from +60% damage down to +20% damage.
And even before the nerf it was hard enough to do damage with that power because it is one that needs to stick on a target for a while. When the target moves away, or you have to dodge a AOE, or someone pushes the target away, the whole daily was and is lost.
Somewhere the developers said they would compensate the nerf to damage by making you teleport towards the target, so it would do less damage, but be more useful against mobile targets. That didn't happen.
As it stands at the moment, TR are a truly useless class. GWF do more damage against small monsters AND against bosses, especially bosses that move around a lot, which is most of them. And they have the toughness to sometimes take an AOE and keep hitting where the TR has no other choice than to dodge away to avoid being killed.
Last time I did Icy Heart, I got blamed for not killing the boss fast enough, but I constantly had all his aggro on me and constantly had to dodge his attacks or else I would have died. Those who complain about their GWF should try playing as a TR, doing less damage and being fragile like you're made of glass.
My play style and setup never relied on LA as my main DPS and I still end up #1 or #2 on dps at worst post update. More TR's should actually give stealth+impossible to catch serious consideration in their rotation for some boss fights. It has made life much easier for me and you don't end up running out of stamina sometimes like you would reserving stealth solely for DPS output.
You think you're special because you use impossible to catch and stealth on boss fights. Lol Who do you play with? People who have been level 60 for less than 10 minutes?
I use Wicked Reminder every 3 to 4 seconds and I have maxed out the damage feats for the two best At Wills. Smoke Bomb is a must if you want to be a team player (and the party will usually, understandably demand you use it), so that leaves 1 Encounter power. Now, as for other classes too, especially the Cleric, after the update Lashing Blade seems to do more damage than any Daily, so I spam that when Impossible to Catch isn't necessary.
As much as I know (not only from personal experience but also from what I read in build guides), Wicked Reminder spamming and a certain feat build, which I pretty much have, gives you the max DPS output possible for a TR and my GS and stats aren't maxed out but good too. So when I see GWF who don't have better Vorpals than me and don't have level 10 Enchantments, end up doing more damage than me when I know that I have spend every possible second of a dungeon or skirmish throwing my most damaging powers at the enemy, I cannot come to a different conclusion but that my TR simply can't do more damage than an equally geared up GWF.
The only thing I can still try to maybe, just maybe get my DPS up again - aside from saving up for a Greater or Perfect Vorpal, is to increase my Recovery as much as possible. My long term strategy was to max out the Armor Penetration buff from my Ioun Stone so I could replace some of my Dark Enchantments on my gear with Radiant ones and maximize Power, but since the first campaign buff got me over 5000 Power (which isn't much for a GWF, but decent for a TR), maybe I should go with Recovery instead, so I can spam Wicked Reminder and Lashing Blade even more.
Dear Dev's please stick to your own definition of the class and stop caving to whatever pressure or opinions that have made you instigate these changes as they are evidently wrong, or are you just annoying us physical dps class users so we jump at the chance to play the "new" ranger class when you release it but then buff the gwf's back up afterwards to "address balance issues" yet really stop everyone playing ranger which you also subsequently nerf after it's release ?
What they lack is role to play in high end content as the other classes usually can do a better job.
Gave up trying to get into groups with my GWF long before the recent nerfs, but still enjoy playing it a lot more than my GF, which has never had any problem getting groups (both level 60 btw).
Is that with a single target only, or are there adds around the target that you and the equally geared GWF are hitting on?
There is a huge difference.
My observations from playing strictly PvE.
I've been playing my GWF and at times it seems to work well, other times it seems like I am a paper target.
Master Weapon Strike certainly does not seem as effective as before, the DR affect goes away instantly, before a second strike can be made.
Unstoppable is incredibly wonky to say the least. Sometimes my determination seems to build normally, other times it won't build at all. Sometimes Unstoppable works for a fraction of a second, other times it lasts for a few seconds. Also sometimes I can enter Unstoppable and it will expire and my Determination bar is immediately filled again. There is no rhyme or reason as to how it works now.
I do know I am now burning through Health Potions at a much faster rate than before, and in general it does seem to take longer to kill off monsters. It seems as though all of our damage abilities have been toned down as well as our defence.