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xwanguuxwanguu Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 22 Arc User
edited August 2013 in General Discussion (PC)
Just a quick question:

Will the price of ancient weapons and off hand increase or decrease? Why?
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  • darthpotaterdarthpotater Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,261 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    Buy fast, they will increase!!
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  • ambisinisterrambisinisterr Member, Neverwinter Moderator Posts: 10,462 Community Moderator
    edited August 2013
    I am extremely confident the pice on most items will increase. :)
    Especially Ancient Weapons.
  • kerrovitarrakerrovitarra Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users Posts: 559 Bounty Hunter
    edited August 2013
    Most probably decrease in perspective, cause new tier of weapons/OH released. But at start they will be increased cause a little amount of CW's will adapt to new shield, new weapons are craftable and Malabog will be difficult for most of players.
  • powereddjinnpowereddjinn Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    I am extremely confident the pice on most items will increase. :)
    Especially Ancient Weapons.

    I am extremely surprised that anyone expects an long term rise in anything in an MMO, deflation due to over supply and decreasing demand is the norm, as a larger and larger percentage of the population has access to the areas and fewer and fewer need the items, then finally along comes the update that moves the arms race elsewhere.

    Short term - watch the Auction House during weekdays!
  • ambisinisterrambisinisterr Member, Neverwinter Moderator Posts: 10,462 Community Moderator
    edited August 2013
    On the long term, I am not sure.

    The inclusion of the changes have already greatly increased the value of many items. A lot of the necklaces and rings had dropped below 3K and 6K Astral Diamonds and that will be a permament increase to a similar value in the Auction House.

    The other factor to consider is that there really isn't deflation in NW since all items bind when equipped. Yes the prices will drop as more and more people no longer need gear but it's nowhere near as bad as I have experienced in other games.

    And more in line with my actual opinion: prices will increase in the short term. That's my prediction as an answer to the OP. I didn't say in the long term prices wouldn't reduce but I am confident that the prices will increase at least long enough to sustain the economy until more content, specifically (hopefully) items other than gear, can be given value.

    Ultimately I believe the prices will increase and at least remain stable enough until the point Cryptic can give us more content. :p
  • diogene0diogene0 Member Posts: 2,894 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    With the malabog castle weapons, prices should drop a lot this month, and it will never rise again. :)

    Do NOT buy castle never weapon. Wait.
  • ambisinisterrambisinisterr Member, Neverwinter Moderator Posts: 10,462 Community Moderator
    edited August 2013
    Fury of the Feywild items are a side grade, not an upgrade.

    While some demand will dissipate the prices will only drop if people perceive the Fury of the Feywild set effects better for their build. And considering that the supply of the already rare castle never weapons will get far, far rarer I do not see them dropping anytime soon.

    I know that at least my Guardian Fighter and Devoted Cleric will need hefty, hefty temptations in order to switch weapon sets.
  • dexymandexyman Member Posts: 91 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    since CN is probably the only dungeon is worth running after the update imo prices will go down not up.
  • ambisinisterrambisinisterr Member, Neverwinter Moderator Posts: 10,462 Community Moderator
    edited August 2013
    If the other dungeons aren't worth running the supply will certainly drop even further than they already will due to the Dungeon Delve Chest changes.

    If there's only a few items in the AH they will be able to charge more for the sets.

    You should read what actually drops in which dungeons. Castle Never only drops "Ancient" items. The items from other dungeons such as Helmets, Boots and Armor are not dropped within Castle Never...
    So if everybody runs Castle Never...
    The actual set items value will simply rise through the roof... :p


    To avoid any confusion: The DD Chest had no unique items!
    It's not like you won't get the items that used to be commonly obtained from the chest as boss drops.
  • dexymandexyman Member Posts: 91 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    If the other dungeons aren't worth running the supply will certainly drop even further than they already will due to the Dungeon Delve Chest changes.

    If there's only a few items in the AH they will be able to charge more for the sets.

    You should read what actually drops in which dungeons. Castle Never only drops "Ancient" items. The items from other dungeons such as Helmets, Boots and Armor are not dropped within Castle Never...
    So if everybody runs Castle Never...
    The actual set items value will simply rise through the roof... :p


    To avoid any confusion: The DD Chest had no unique items!
    It's not like you won't get the items that used to be commonly obtained from the chest as boss drops.
    i know what drops from each dungeon...but you will not see many ppl wanting to run the other dungeons because of the bop..and were do ppl get this idea that prices will rise??? when making AD is going to be a lot harder than b4 therefore ppl will not have the cash to buy the items unless they get their credit cards out....you can put an item on the AH for 10 mil AD does not mean its going to sell.
  • runebanerunebane Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    dexyman wrote: »
    i know what drops from each dungeon...but you will not see many ppl wanting to run the other dungeons because of the bop..and were do ppl get this idea that prices will rise??? when making AD is going to be a lot harder than b4 therefore ppl will not have the cash to buy the items unless they get their credit cards out....you can put an item on the AH for 10 mil AD does not mean its going to sell.

    AD will only be harder to get for those that rely on selling stuff in the AH as their primary income. Most others will have an increased AD supply. (From new dailies and salvage.) Others that use an army of leadership alts should stay about the same.

    The supply of the items will drop drastically. Most people will have more AD to spend. Therefore its likely the prices will rise. No one can say for sure though.
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  • parp12parp12 Member Posts: 642 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    I am extremely surprised that anyone expects an long term rise in anything in an MMO, deflation due to over supply and decreasing demand is the norm, as a larger and larger percentage of the population has access to the areas and fewer and fewer need the items, then finally along comes the update that moves the arms race elsewhere.

    Short term - watch the Auction House during weekdays!
    I got 2 blue skeletal dogs and thought I'd keep them for a few weeks and that the price would rocket. Pretty sure at the time they were selling for 70-100k+. Once the salvager appeared on preview I spent all my AD buying cheap gear and started selling all my wards, enchants, etc. Included were these dogs which both went for 70k, so a good few weeks and there was still a strong enough supply to not cause the price to rise. Also I had about 5 or 6 star mask thing from one of the events, I think those had been going for 40k or so, and I got between 15 to 20k for those.

    With the most recent event the dragon egg price dropped and I expected it to steadily rise after the event ended. It actually went down after the event as lots of people were hoarding them. Again the supply has far outstripped the demand and last week they were still around the same low (though I've just checked and they're making a bit of a recovery now).

    With the ancient weapons I'm guessing the supply will dry up as with people running Malabog instead. Demand will still be there for ancients, but it's all down to how many non bound ones people have stored, which nobody knows.
  • dexymandexyman Member Posts: 91 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    runebane wrote: »
    AD will only be harder to get for those that rely on selling stuff in the AH as their primary income. Most others will have an increased AD supply. (From new dailies and salvage.) Others that use an army of leadership alts should stay about the same.

    The supply of the items will drop drastically. Most people will have more AD to spend. Therefore its likely the prices will rise. No one can say for sure though.

    lol....how do you work that out bud. most ppl can only refine 24k worth of rough AD per day. all that had to be done was stop ppl exploiting and running 4 and 5 dungeons in an hour then the problem would have been completely resolved...think about 5 ppl running 5 dungeons during the dd event thats over 30 purple drops per party....if dungeons were being run as meant i.e 1 during the event or 2 if your very lucky over supply would dropped off within days... prices would rise and all would be happy apart from the speedrunner..now geared up ppl have very little incentive to run anything other than CN or malabog.the bop complete over kill. and possibly a game ending "update" for many.
  • dexymandexyman Member Posts: 91 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    parp12 wrote: »
    I got 2 blue skeletal dogs and thought I'd keep them for a few weeks and that the price would rocket. Pretty sure at the time they were selling for 70-100k+. Once the salvager appeared on preview I spent all my AD buying cheap gear and started selling all my wards, enchants, etc. Included were these dogs which both went for 70k, so a good few weeks and there was still a strong enough supply to not cause the price to rise. Also I had about 5 or 6 star mask thing from one of the events, I think those had been going for 40k or so, and I got between 15 to 20k for those.

    With the most recent event the dragon egg price dropped and I expected it to steadily rise after the event ended. It actually went down after the event as lots of people were hoarding them. Again the supply has far outstripped the demand and last week they were still around the same low (though I've just checked and they're making a bit of a recovery now).

    With the ancient weapons I'm guessing the supply will dry up as with people running Malabog instead. Demand will still be there for ancients, but it's all down to how many non bound ones people have stored, which nobody knows.
    well said...some ppl really don't understand how the AH works.
  • runebanerunebane Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    dexyman wrote: »
    lol....how do you work that out bud. most ppl can only refine 24k worth of rough AD per day. all that had to be done was stop ppl exploiting and running 4 and 5 dungeons in an hour then the problem would have been completely resolved...think about 5 ppl running 5 dungeons during the dd event thats over 30 purple drops per party....if dungeons were being run as meant i.e 1 during the event or 2 if your very lucky over supply would dropped off within days... prices would rise and all would be happy apart from the speedrunner..now geared up ppl have very little incentive to run anything other than CN or malabog.the bop complete over kill. and possibly a game ending "update" for many.

    Most people weren't hitting the 24K ad limit every day. With salvage and the new dailies more will. More doing that = more AD. Again, the only people getting less will be those that relied on the AH as their primary source of AD. The update will hurt them pretty bad until the economy settles and they can start farming/selling whatever is still valuable.
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  • dexymandexyman Member Posts: 91 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    runebane wrote: »
    Most people weren't hitting the 24K ad limit every day. With salvage and the new dailies more will. More doing that = more AD. Again, the only people getting less will be those that relied on the AH as their primary source of AD. The update will hurt them pretty bad until the economy settles and they can start farming/selling whatever is still valuable.

    most ppl use the AH so thats most of the community...if it wasn't the case then no one would give a toss about the AH prices. you only have to look at the number of recent threads relating to bop and the AH to work that out.
  • kouroumbelokouroumbelo Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    Anyway guys 1 day left to update we gonna see how things will be.

    think ppl just focus on DD box bop and not whole picture tho.

    T1 pvp was nice AD income.
    T2 gg was nice AD income.
    Drake seal items was nice AD income.

    and on top of that DD box bop.

    Think better fix ''exploits'' in raids so ppl wont do 3-4 runs during DD??

    That would help the economy much better^^.

    Still we need give it time see mb it will be better for game who knows.
    (but the AD income of player will decrease for sure. Having option to sell all the above in AH compared to daily refine and not selling is obvious nerf to income).
  • warpetwarpet Member Posts: 1,969 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    rise a lot like all sets since after patch every drop from epics will be BoP and epics will be a bit harder since they nerfed a lot of classes
  • silveralucardsilveralucard Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 410 Bounty Hunter
    edited August 2013
    if you play DD you will not notice a change since you will be able the equips that you want BoP, however if you do not run DD and only rely on boss drops then the picture is going to change drastically since now only that loot is BoE every DD is BoP so, depending on the options if the new sharandar offers bettrer options then prizes of the equivalent will decrease, however if sharandar does not offer better options then prizes of the most difficult items will rise (partly cause thereis going to be a los ot AD around) also due to that AD will decrease in value cause we will have more of it, like gold, but again this will depend on the items, if the items are not that difficult to get then yes they will drecrease but CN weapons that you will need to defeat dracolich probably will increse since there will be a lot less available in the market only if the new weapons are not better than CN ones.

    :)
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  • rabbinicusrabbinicus Member Posts: 1,822 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    To avoid any confusion: The DD Chest had no unique items!
    It's not like you won't get the items that used to be commonly obtained from the chest as boss drops.

    Although if you run The Dwarf King's Crypt in GG you can get any T2 item as a random drop. Sure, your odds are awful of getting exactly what you want - but it could be a lot worse. :)
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  • krinamankrinaman Member Posts: 129 Bounty Hunter
    edited August 2013
    dexyman wrote: »
    lol....how do you work that out bud. most ppl can only refine 24k worth of rough AD per day.

    Per character. I know of players with 50 characters who get millions of AD per week through leadership and devotion.
  • dexymandexyman Member Posts: 91 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    krinaman wrote: »
    Per character. I know of players with 50 characters who get millions of AD per week through leadership and devotion.

    1.we all know its per char.. thx for stating the obvious.^^
    2. oh that sound like fun logging on and off accounts all day...i must try that^^
  • cribstaxxxcribstaxxx Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 1,300 Bounty Hunter
    edited August 2013
    Why does everyone think the price on ancient weapons will increase?

    DD is going to lose 90% of its profitability, which means that the good players that are out to make money so they can get better armor/weapon and R8 enchants are all going to be farming CN and CN alone b/c that's the only reliable expensive item drop. T2's only have a chance to drop a T2 armor while CN has 100% that some ancient weapon or offhand will drop.

    I think with CN being the only profitable dungeon other than malabog it is going to be ran 4x as much as it is now, and with all that supply prices will have to drop some.
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  • korgulltekorgullte Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 95
    edited August 2013
    As far as I know the new dungeons will take a little time to unlock so people will keep running CN in the near future.
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