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So... PvP Punishes Highly Skilled Teams?

ladywillow15ladywillow15 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
edited August 2013 in PvE Discussion
All right, I'm going to preface this by saying that I haven't played a TON of PvP in this game, so I don't know if this has been brought up before/this is beating a dead horse. I checked the first two pages of topics and didn't see it mentioned, so...

I was just playing some PvP, and my team did really well! We held all three points for 99% of the game! Oh boy, I bet we get a ton of glory and stuff! :D

Nope.

No rewards given at all.

Someone on the team, toward the end, said "let them have one".

I was very confused and asked why, and they said that we would get nothing if they didn't have a control point.

What the actual ****.

They had all their team members, and they were all active. No one sitting at spawn, no one DC'd, nothing. It was a fair fight in that respect, we just did better, flat out. Better organized and such.

So why did we get punished for being better players?

I guess I can see what they were trying to do: when one team AFKs, the other shouldn't be able to get tons of reward for no work, but...

couldn't they just fix the AFK/DC problem, instead of punishing legit good players?

Rather disheartening...
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  • degraafinationdegraafination Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    Is to discourage the Premade from stomping the PUGs, the PUGs all leaving, and Premade gets a ton of rewards for PVPing for 45 seconds.
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  • dreamhuntressxdreamhuntressx Member Posts: 453 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    U need to let the enemy team reach at least 100 points to get any reward. Under this point, u get nothing.
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  • uncag3duncag3d Member Posts: 6 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    Had same thing i was on my alt an lost pretty bad but wasn't a shut out an we got no rewards, had the same thing winning on my gf at many diffrent ending scores. bad programming basically.
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  • rashylewizzrashylewizz Member Posts: 4,265 Bounty Hunter
    edited August 2013
    Is to discourage the Premade from stomping the PUGs, the PUGs all leaving, and Premade gets a ton of rewards for PVPing for 45 seconds.

    This. /10char
  • evilderprimus88evilderprimus88 Member Posts: 148 Bounty Hunter
    edited August 2013
    Interesting info, thanks, I didn't know that. So if I'll ever run into premade roflstomping my PUG, I mustn't capture flags and should ask my team not to, so premade won't get any rewards. Sadly, with PvP store being pretty empty at the moment (no skins, no pets, no mounts, and T1 gear. Meh) it's pretty much pointless, but I'll hope the system will stay.
  • poisoncloudpoisoncloud Member Posts: 489 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    You won't have to ask for a thing since such a squad won't let your team even cap one tower.
  • cribstaxxxcribstaxxx Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 1,300 Bounty Hunter
    edited August 2013
    you still get double credit for your daily by being in the top 5 though (2/4) and what is honor worth really? lol. Once they implement GS matching and penalties for leaving they can remove all of the point caps that deny you honor. ie enemy team not getting any points, or your personal score below 300.
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  • benskix2benskix2 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 674 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    Interesting info, thanks, I didn't know that. So if I'll ever run into premade roflstomping my PUG, I mustn't capture flags and should ask my team not to, so premade won't get any rewards. Sadly, with PvP store being pretty empty at the moment (no skins, no pets, no mounts, and T1 gear. Meh) it's pretty much pointless, but I'll hope the system will stay.

    If you are going to not play the game to deny your opponent points you might as well just uninstall now. How about you just play the match because you enjoy it and not worry about what the other team gets for killing you?
  • tancred300tancred300 Member Posts: 58
    edited August 2013
    Couple days ago i couldnt even finnish my pvp daily fighting for 2-3 hours, casue every group left at some point of time

    and there is no practice value for us to just sit it out to the end 0vs5.

    But yeah the rewards are terrible/non-existant anyway. PvP is just in a bad state, Cryptic doesnt understand that you have to please the pve AND pvp players to have a successful MMO.
  • cribstaxxxcribstaxxx Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 1,300 Bounty Hunter
    edited August 2013
    if you stay till the end you get at least 1 toward your daily even if you have 0 points and are the only person left in the game, don't know how it could take you 2-3 hours
    Guild Master of <Enemy Team>
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  • gannicsgladiatorgannicsgladiator Member Posts: 413 Bounty Hunter
    edited August 2013
    well. the "coin" of the victory is glory.
    what glory is there fighting a weak enemy? or winning an easy fight.
    None.

    so makes sense lose or wina gainst weak team = low glory.
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  • tancred300tancred300 Member Posts: 58
    edited August 2013
    cribstaxxx wrote: »
    if you stay till the end you get at least 1 toward your daily even if you have 0 points and are the only person left in the game, don't know how it could take you 2-3 hours

    I was with my premade the whole time and there was not a single team not leaving because they all had no chance.
  • evilderprimus88evilderprimus88 Member Posts: 148 Bounty Hunter
    edited August 2013
    benskix2 wrote: »
    If you are going to not play the game to deny your opponent points you might as well just uninstall now. How about you just play the match because you enjoy it and not worry about what the other team gets for killing you?

    I worry about that because it's not fair for stronger opponent to be rewarded for mopping the floor with a weaker one. Sadly, there is no Elo system in Neverwinter so strongest would fight against strongest, their is not even a gear-based matchmaking. Leaving the matches and AFKing is not an answer, but the fact that the weaker team still have a control over the course of the match is refreshing. Aww, you didn't get your glory for pwning the PUG? But it's not very glorious, after all. I wish it wouldn't count toward daily, too, because being rewarded for killing people who can't possibly retaliate is just as bad as freely leaving PvP match without a deserters buff.
  • ambisinisterrambisinisterr Member, Neverwinter Moderator Posts: 10,462 Community Moderator
    edited August 2013
    The closer the match is the more points each team is awarded. If matches are too easy the winning team will not get as many points as they did not have to put the same amount of time and effort towards winning as they would have had to do in a difficult match.

    Players are rewarded for a having more challenging match.

    In fact, you can say they are rewarded for facing higher skilled teams. :)
  • cribstaxxxcribstaxxx Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 1,300 Bounty Hunter
    edited August 2013
    tancred300 wrote: »
    I was with my premade the whole time and there was not a single team not leaving because they all had no chance.

    Yep happens to me every day, my team gets ahead by a mere 50 points and only from 2-cap and enemy team decides "this won't be a super easy victory" and 3 leave. That's why we need something to deter leavers...
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    We are definitely dominating, and we are always about to win.
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