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The reason why nerfs in pvp will do nothing for class balance or this game!
rragle
Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 0 Arc User
The only reason why a class is nerfed, is to make it more balanced for the whole game, not just one tiny almost non existent part of it.
The problem is the lead designer (or whoever made this decision) made the mistake of balancing classes around pvp when this isn't a pvp orientated game.
So what you have done, is damage pve because of pvp, yet forgot you have virtually 0 pvp content.
When I say 0, having 2 wf's and a 20v20 GG /cough sorry a run around in circles capping, is not pvp
To class your game as having pvp where changes are made because of it, you should have abilities that work differently in pvp to pve (not doing so is lazy design) gear that benefits pvp play only, you need leagues, tournaments etc, many more maps, guild vs guild, premade vs premade.
The basics of any game with pvp is having Diminishing returns for CC, yet there is nothing.
I play a TR, I will still kill plenty in fey and still be top of the food chain in pvp+pve, but what you have done to classes like GWF's and even GF's is destroy their pve playing, yet that's what brings in your money.
Or do you think people just play neverwinter for pvp? Lol
So whenever you decide to have your next class balance meeting, I would suggest you look at the bigger picture.
I don't want to hear you have loads in the works for pvp and this is why you have made all these changes, because you haven't implemented the fundamental basics of pvp in an mmo so I along with everyone else know you have no intention of making pvp a big prt of this game.
Having 2 million people doesn't give you a licence to be stupid.
It's how all games fail, over confidence and leadership who can't think outside of the box or even understand the basics!
The problem is the lead designer (or whoever made this decision) made the mistake of balancing classes around pvp when this isn't a pvp orientated game.
So what you have done, is damage pve because of pvp, yet forgot you have virtually 0 pvp content.
When I say 0, having 2 wf's and a 20v20 GG /cough sorry a run around in circles capping, is not pvp
To class your game as having pvp where changes are made because of it, you should have abilities that work differently in pvp to pve (not doing so is lazy design) gear that benefits pvp play only, you need leagues, tournaments etc, many more maps, guild vs guild, premade vs premade.
The basics of any game with pvp is having Diminishing returns for CC, yet there is nothing.
I play a TR, I will still kill plenty in fey and still be top of the food chain in pvp+pve, but what you have done to classes like GWF's and even GF's is destroy their pve playing, yet that's what brings in your money.
Or do you think people just play neverwinter for pvp? Lol
So whenever you decide to have your next class balance meeting, I would suggest you look at the bigger picture.
I don't want to hear you have loads in the works for pvp and this is why you have made all these changes, because you haven't implemented the fundamental basics of pvp in an mmo so I along with everyone else know you have no intention of making pvp a big prt of this game.
Having 2 million people doesn't give you a licence to be stupid.
It's how all games fail, over confidence and leadership who can't think outside of the box or even understand the basics!
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http://youtu.be/CLDrn0Mwo0w if the nerf goes as planned.
actually, end game players will play for pvp... Castle Never is currently way too easy.
There IS a disminishing return on some CC skills (CW's for eg) in PvP
I'm not taking a side in this, as both sides have good and bad points, but your overall argument is just wrong and is basically going the wrong way as you depict someone who doesn't know anything but still try to complain, thus making your argument helping the "game is pvp" party.
Well met
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2: The nerfs? lol! I see about 4 power buffs for every power reduction, and if one power being reduced a bit is a game ender for you? You might have a bad build. The only thing that actually hurts in all this, imo, is the cleric hammer nerf. Which... This version is the healer cleric. I actually totally understand that nerf, it's unreasonable for the healer to hit as hard as some of the strikers.
RIP Caine
You have missed the point totally.
Class balance has been made around pvp when there is no real pvp.
If you honestly think its ok to nerf GWF's into the ground so they are totally pointless for pve just because they are strong in pvp, then you need to play a game that has meaningful pvp!
That way PvP is balanced and PvE is unharmed.
They really do need to add more PvP options to the game, the 2 WF are fun but boring maps and the 20v20 sounds like the same but with more people.
"It's because of PvP!" is usually just the first thing whiners say whenever there are class balance changes. It's been this way in every game.
And yes, as someone said above, official MMO forums exist for the sole purpose of harboring a cesspool of incessant whiners and arm-chair game designers.
While I would agree the changes do not appear to be very PVP oriented. It does present an interesting question. Where is the feedback from players crying for PVE nerfs to classes? I haven't found any. PWE said these changes are based on feedback, and their testing etc., but for the life of me the only nerf feedback I see anywhere is PVP whines.
If the developers have any sense at all (and I actually think they do) when they say, "based on feedback," they don't mean the hordes of 13 year old ****posters on the forums. I think they mean the datamining they've done, seeing what builds, what skills, what classes, have been doing what dungeons and how.
Hmmm, the wording they used seems pretty cut and dried to me. Yet I still only find pvp nerf whines, far as customer feedback goes. I have a harder time believing it's all from in house testing, and data mining, considering how absurd some of the changes being made are. No class bias or anything, there are changes to all classes that seem a bit haphazard IMO.
I'd say have singletons matched into parties have no higher a gear score than the current top +5%. And no lower than the lowest -5%. Then sum the gear scores of potential parties and only match them if within 10-15%. A party of 12,000+ players - unless astoundingly incompetent, is an auto-win over a party of 10,000ish standard purple types.
Edit: Oh, and obviously there could be exploits like gearing down in party match then gear up once in the instance. So perhaps some restriction on gear-changing while in instance would be needed.
I think the idea that it's all for pvp began when they attempted to fix permastealth by breaking the TR. Perma was the #1 whine.
But I agree, there has been no feedback at all on the forums about how powerful the GWF is in PvE, or how a DC's HoF was instakilling everything in sight. I wonder, with their datamining, if they also measured how many parties actually run with GWF's.
How can a class that is so ignored by everybody else possibly be so OP that it needs to be fixed by nerfing it?