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Module 1 (Sharundar/Malabog) loot discussion
axer128
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So yea the devs spoiled all the fun and revealed seemingly EVERY item's stats. Not a fan of that in itself, the fun of discovery was pretty much ruined..
But yea we can now view pretty much every items stats - just log in, hit the campaign button, then hit rewards.
I was really hoping the Malabogs weapons would be interesting alternatives to CN weapons, but nope seems the devs HEAVILY failed on their design:
For most classes - They are IDENTICAL, if not very slightly worse stats than their CN counterparts - with no set bonuses.
EG:
GF Sword/Shield - 100% identical
DC - Same base, but a few stats less
You can upgrade these by doing what's probably a fairly long grind.. But guess what that adds: A whole +5 defense and +5 deflect on a sword that already has so much def/defl that you're getting severe diminishing returns.
(And you still sit at overall -440 stats vs the CN set).
Shields identical too.
Jewelry is kinda like Hrimnir style - +80 to a whole bunch of junk stats. Total stats still less than CN jewelry. Some may like that, not me, no power on there, not useful to a GF.
So yea, seems like a huge epic fail on the malabog loot design. It's plain lazy copy and paste but weaker than CN.
Common devs, you can do better than that, at least give them different stats so there's some discussion about whats best. Atm theres no argument, they are plain inferior.
EG: Make the GF Sword more like the Timeless hero only - add quite a bit more power, little bit of crit/AP. Then it could function as the top offensive sword (but you'd lose a ton of defensive stats, so both are still viable).
Other loots listed too:
Legendary GF Set:
It's a good tank set (restores guard meter).. But yea this is game where the best tanks NEVER use tank sets because nothing in the game is challenging enough to warrant it. Give us boss fights that actually are hard to tank and maybe it would have purpose. Otherwise every GF worth their salt is gonna keep using offensive sets.
Legendary DC Set:
Quite horrible, yet another one of those "60 second cooldowns where it does nothing". A set that boosts healing, but once every 60 seconds is pretty bad. Healing is required CONSTANTLY in this game, not once every 60 seconds. The set bonus itself seems fine, just should remove the cooldown or reduce to like 6 seconds.
Otherwise, the gauntlgrym (Champion) set is clearly still by far the best healing set, as it's set bonus constantly increases your healing with no cooldowns. (plus its plain better stats, dc legend set is too crit focused for a class that doesn't benefit much from crit)
Other stuff:
Seems there's yet another lockbox. Has some nice stuff like another purple mount, new enchants, etc.. Not sure the key cost tho.
But yea we can now view pretty much every items stats - just log in, hit the campaign button, then hit rewards.
I was really hoping the Malabogs weapons would be interesting alternatives to CN weapons, but nope seems the devs HEAVILY failed on their design:
For most classes - They are IDENTICAL, if not very slightly worse stats than their CN counterparts - with no set bonuses.
EG:
GF Sword/Shield - 100% identical
DC - Same base, but a few stats less
You can upgrade these by doing what's probably a fairly long grind.. But guess what that adds: A whole +5 defense and +5 deflect on a sword that already has so much def/defl that you're getting severe diminishing returns.
(And you still sit at overall -440 stats vs the CN set).
Shields identical too.
Jewelry is kinda like Hrimnir style - +80 to a whole bunch of junk stats. Total stats still less than CN jewelry. Some may like that, not me, no power on there, not useful to a GF.
So yea, seems like a huge epic fail on the malabog loot design. It's plain lazy copy and paste but weaker than CN.
Common devs, you can do better than that, at least give them different stats so there's some discussion about whats best. Atm theres no argument, they are plain inferior.
EG: Make the GF Sword more like the Timeless hero only - add quite a bit more power, little bit of crit/AP. Then it could function as the top offensive sword (but you'd lose a ton of defensive stats, so both are still viable).
Other loots listed too:
Legendary GF Set:
It's a good tank set (restores guard meter).. But yea this is game where the best tanks NEVER use tank sets because nothing in the game is challenging enough to warrant it. Give us boss fights that actually are hard to tank and maybe it would have purpose. Otherwise every GF worth their salt is gonna keep using offensive sets.
Legendary DC Set:
Quite horrible, yet another one of those "60 second cooldowns where it does nothing". A set that boosts healing, but once every 60 seconds is pretty bad. Healing is required CONSTANTLY in this game, not once every 60 seconds. The set bonus itself seems fine, just should remove the cooldown or reduce to like 6 seconds.
Otherwise, the gauntlgrym (Champion) set is clearly still by far the best healing set, as it's set bonus constantly increases your healing with no cooldowns. (plus its plain better stats, dc legend set is too crit focused for a class that doesn't benefit much from crit)
Other stuff:
Seems there's yet another lockbox. Has some nice stuff like another purple mount, new enchants, etc.. Not sure the key cost tho.
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thanks for getting me prepared for that gf stuff though lol
Bosses should have extensive loot tables with varying degrees of item rarity. What we have now is generally a 2 item loot table of junk for each boss.
Seems legit.
Contagion - Cleric
Testament - Wizard
Pestilence - Ranger
Dominion - Paladin
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Yea it is. The vast majority of the important - keep you alive healing done in any challenging encounter is astral shield. Any smart player know thats.
Astral shield cannot crit period.
Several other cleric heals cant crit. It's just not an efficient stat period. Plus relying on random chance to maybe save someone is plain and simply a poor strategy. Power is a far more effective stat for increasing healing.
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No one cares that the game has no progression to its endgame?
Just run CN a bit and your maxxed.. New content comes out and its always worse. Pretty boring setup imo.
Pretty much no reason for my GF to run mod1 other then the campaign stat buffs, kinda boring imo.
There should some carrot put out for us to chase, else whats the fun of it.
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I agree. My cleric has a 45% crit chance. In PvP, that means his DOTs are tearing players apart. In PvE it's exceedingly handy for Bastion of Health.
About the loot - I'm glad that it isn't obviously more powerful than other sets. I actually rather like the Cleric set (that bonus is going to be VERY nice for Bastion). If it would have been obviously more powerful than already existing loot, it would have reduced endgame gearing options, not added to it. The way they've set it up, they give us more options, instead of shoe-horning every player into the same set.
It was always pretty obvious (to me, at least) that gear progression was going to be more about transmog-ing into the perfect LOOKING set instead of the perfect PERFORMING set. Not to mention the dungeons are easy enough that it hardly matters whether you're wearing the gear widely considered BiS or not. Which is a different problem, for some.
The gear itself is the easiest part of your gear to get. The real progression is in the enchantments, and your companion.
Fact is for many classes, especially GF - it's obviously garbage compared to other sets.
And given all the reports show its a FAR longer and very challenging grind to get the best stuff outa malabog and upgrade it, its simply terrible design.
The reward should match the time invested and the risk. It simply doesn't as is.
-440 stats plain and simple plus a longer grind is just infuriating poor design for the weapon/shield sets.
The armor sure you could try to argue some of it is ok (your out of your mind if you think something that only works every 60 seconds is at all useful in this ultra fast paced game when there are many other sets that work 100% of the time, but to each his own).
The weapons and shields you simply cant argue. It's plain and simple - bad design.
Even if they were were objectively worse, but at least had varied stats - thatd be something. But they dont, they are identical but inferior - thats just poor design.
(There are VERY minor differences in the DC weapon - bit of armor pen less recovery, but the GF and most other classes main and offhand are identical stat setups to cn)
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In my opinion, discovering builds and new play styles is what makes MMO's fun. And what contributes the most towards this goal are more often than not, the item effects. I once saw a screenie of a rare TR item from the closed beta version of the game, a pair of level 30 boots that increase a TR's run speed by 100% when in stealth. And I thought "Wow, I wonder when we'll get more items like that." since it can introduce new ways to play the class. Utility effects in general are just awesome. And I believe most item effects in the game should lean towards utility effects much more than stat increases or damage boosts. This will help avoid unintentionally breaking the game balance and limiting players from using specific sets.
I personally think that seeing exotic set/item effects such as...
- x% Increased Stamina Regeneration
- x% AP Regeneration per second
- x% Faster Cooldown after using a Daily
- Increased Mobility
Basically effects that will not directly contribute to game imbalance. I personally like the Fey Blessing Enchantment, it's interesting from a profit point of view, and it doesn't cause any stress to the current stasis of the game balance. Perfect Vorpal and Greater Tenebrous Enchantments are a good example of items that are too powerful for the current balance of the game. By introducing items with effects that contribute to utility, people will have to find a way to make the best use out of these items/sets before they can become powerful.
These are just the two cents of a casual player, however. I play this game to discover how else classes can be played and not to min-max in order to achieve "efficiency." Exploration and discovery are the true adventures in MMO's in my opinion.
To conclude my long post, the non-set items in Sharandar could use some effects. Or basically anything that will make them special and separate them from the current gear we have in the game. This is supposedly an end-game zone so it's best to just make it as rewarding as possible for casual and hardcore players alike. As it stands, Sharandar might not be the end-game experience it's currently being advertised to be. Just like Gauntlgrym which will become worse once the Grym items become BoP. Hopefully there will also be new rewards from old content as well, but that's another issue separate from this one.