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bashmaster36
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Is there any point to queue with random people in any dungeon 40+? Are all the final bosses impossible without a full group of people who know what they're doing? Even if you try to give people a good strat it doesn't seem to matter.
IMO, they should do the same thing for dungeons that they do for PvP...make everyone the same level. It would help, but I somehow doubt it would be enough. I was having so much fun with this game until the Wolf Den.
IMO, they should do the same thing for dungeons that they do for PvP...make everyone the same level. It would help, but I somehow doubt it would be enough. I was having so much fun with this game until the Wolf Den.
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But wait till your lvl 60, than you know how anoying PUG's are. Especially PvP it's wonderfull, you get in a party with 4x Rank 1 mount with GS around 9-10k and teamwork that just doesn't excist, while the other team of course have the better players. But otherwise it's nice to beat a premade with your PUG party, cause I know at least 2 guilds in Mindflayer are just bad for a pre-made group.
No, I love playing with others, but it was nice when I could just jump on at any time, hit the join button, and start playing. What I'm asking is if that's possible with any of the higher dungeons. If not (and I knew it was a long shot), I'll just wait for the perfect cookie-cutter guild group.
That's the IT in me. I can't help when I try to dumb things down so people know what I'm talking about.
All the dungeons are puggable. Obviously it helps when everyone knows what they are doing, but usually it only needs 1 person laying down a good strategy for a decent pug (i.e. a pug that will listen) to beat any dungeon.
FWIW, the Grey Wolf Den is the hardest dungeon while levelling. It's mainly because at level, players are still getting used to their toons and don't have access to their best powers yet. The other dungeons aren't really as hard as the Wolf one. Besides, the Wolf dungeon was apparently nerfed in a previous patch, so it shouldn't be as hard now as it used to be.
If you get an orbital doom-cannon cleric or a single-target DPS wizard, you're probably doomed no matter how good you are.
That's in epics.
In normal dungeons, it's less restrictive. The problem with wolf den is just...wolf den. Wolf den is just awful.
Protips for the boss are to remember that when she successfullly lands melee hits she spawns the shadow wolves, so you can make the fight SOOO much easier if you don't get hit by her in melee. The giant doom hands don't count (though you should hopefully be avoiding those anyway).
So dismiss companions (stones can stay) because companions are idiots who stand in fire: they will bring wolves. Send them away.
Also, don't stick a GF on the boss, use a TR. I'm pretty sure (not 100%) that it's her LANDING the melee hits that spawns, so a blocked hit is still a hit as far as "HAVE MOAR MAGIC WOLVES" is concerned. Dodging is a much better approach. Use the GF to round up the adds (esp the archer adds) that spawn at the usual health breakpoints, because these guys will ruin your DC.
Other than that, just stay mobile, don't get hit.
Just try to get everyone to put their pets away, the leading cause of wipes in the wolf den. And you'll know how futile it is.
I think a lot of the problems/issues stem from everyone trying to assert themselves in the group, but most I feel is that groups tend to want to blast through everything instead of just going in and having fun with it.
Now I understand that some people like to do things quickly and these types of players I say, To each their own "
However the only thing time has anything to do with is in people own heads, there is no extra loot for exploiting/quickly doing a dungeon.
My friend and me have been doing well doing 5 man dungeons with just the 2 of us and the healer hires, now granted the time is a factor but we enjoy our time we play together so if it takes a couple hours+ to get something done ( With Full Exploration ) that's fine with us, as for deaths there are a few here and there but nothing to complain about under the circumstances. Even the other day I was in Dread Vault myself and had the end boss just below half health when it decided to rubber band and go back to full, which I didn't mind too much because I remembered that my friend and me didn't try that one together so I finished out, save it for another time.
The last one we did together during a DD( Extra Chest ) was Spellplague???? with the spawning pits and the end boss on the round Platform. That one proved difficult for just us, but in our defense we are not fully decked in gear, like most in this game, and using Level 15 hires that would take an elevator to get to a fight while letting you stand there doesn't help matters LOL!!!
On a final note, it is really hard IMHO to get a good P.U.G. of average players that want to take their time learn to do something most of the time what I see in Zone chat are people looking for others but they need a certain G.S. and/or Know what they are doing ahead of time, pretty hard thing to do if you haven't run the DD epics before and need a group to get that experience.
Then lets not forget the group experiences of going through helping and then the leader drops you before you get a chance to get what you helped earn.
Cheers!
And we were doing stuff like this with pretty well basic earned quest gear, only now are we starting to acquire our T1/T2 gears and those will be for another Character, as it would be nice to do some epic runs.
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Come on you are basing this theory on WOLF DEN! THE Wolf Den... the sole mission that has made many a person weep. LOL! That mission sucks... especially at level... fight fight fight... end boss wipe! That has nothing to do with experience... you make one mistake in there and it can be a wipe.
The main problem I see with epic dungeons are how bosses don't actually fight. All they do is spam 100 adds and try to red circle you to death. The only way it would be okay is if players had infinite dodges or when you dodged it actually dodged the attack instead of snapping you back to where you was or canceling the dodge half way or even sometimes still hitting you even if you did dodge. And I really hate how when you get knocked down there's no way to make them hurry up and get up, most games have it so you can roll away or jump up but not NW, they get up like an old person in the bath, which is plenty of time to get red circled again and again until you dead.:(
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I'm basing this on hundreds of dungeon runs on multiple characters up to The Frozen Heart. The Wolf Den was a wipe 100% of the time, but the other mid level dungeons weren't much better.
Oh, the 'retake the bridge' skirmish is another multiple wipe scenario because the fight with 3 giants + multiple adds means there are red circles EVERYWHERE. Sometimes it's literally impossible to dodge them all, so you have to pick the ones that are pure damage instead of damage + knockup + get hit by a dozen more while trying to get back up and... I'm not so good at that part. Ow ow ow ow.