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Humans Be all end all for GF tank builds?
vidfinnx
Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 98
i was just wondering because i currently have a 60 GF thats an wood elf, but i rolled 16/16/14 for my initial stats
and CON at max seems to be the best stat before anything else. More AP, More health for survival, More power during stalwart stacks. I have full T1-T2 on my character, but im considering rerolling to have 26 con, already at level 52,
is it worth it? I feel like you absolutely need to have max health to survive some of these super cash geared characters
you fight, is that not true? am i going crazy? if only i had 24 con :P then i could tolerate it but only get 22 con max
Pvp survivability is where im concerned most.
and CON at max seems to be the best stat before anything else. More AP, More health for survival, More power during stalwart stacks. I have full T1-T2 on my character, but im considering rerolling to have 26 con, already at level 52,
is it worth it? I feel like you absolutely need to have max health to survive some of these super cash geared characters
you fight, is that not true? am i going crazy? if only i had 24 con :P then i could tolerate it but only get 22 con max
Pvp survivability is where im concerned most.
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In PvE, 4% extra HP won't help your survivability, though the extra Heroic Feats available as Human may.
So, Human is just min-maxing. Not even close to worth it to re-roll for pvp, imo.
If this is your first Character then finish and farm AD and save up for Rank 8 Radiants/Greater Plaguefire, Soulforge enchants. Before you go hardcore with a specific CHAR for PvP.
Worst GF NA
go for human if you want to max both crit and prone duration
tl;dr: Pick a race who's *** you want at for hours on end, RNG is far greater then the tiny benefit you get from a few stat/feat points here and there. ie. 2 people with exact same setup one a human one a different race, whoever gets the most crits wins. Yes I'm aware my td;dr is longer then my post
I run a dwarf GF and also went 16/16/14 since Str/Con seem like the most important stats for a GF and dwarfs get +2 to both!
At 60 I have 24/24/14 and with fire buff im at 25/25/15. The max rolled con GFs have I think 27 Con so 2% more HP? but they have something like 20-21 str...
Dwarfs have resistance to knockdown/backs which is pretty big in pvp... That said I did roll a MAX Con GWF and stuck him with 7 GTE enchants, but I made him Specifically for PVP tene stacking and he is HORRIBLY set up for PVE. I rolled human because of the 3 extra feat points which GWFs have WAY better use for than GFs, the 3% defence was meh... Also Con on GWF also gives armor pen so its arguably the best to stack...
I have found that unless your making a character for a single purpose, the MINOR differences in stats like 2 more con, wont really do much. If you DO make them for a single purpose, then they will not be very good at other things...
I ONLY made and could afford to make a GWF with tene because I had an amazing GF first that was a very well rounded character. I never had problems in pvp with him and even though i have 24-25 Con I still have about 31k HP and I dont even stack HP gear... I feel like minor differences in stats can easily be made up for by changing gear around or sockets around...
If you have 20 mil and wanted a 7 GTE Sent GWF... Then yes Roll Human and stack Con...
If you do SOME PVE and like to PVP alot too, your fine with what you have honestly... Your really not going to notice ANY difference at max level and it really makes almost no difference at max level...
Honestly its the equiv of a grand necklace or an ancient necklace... The grand costs like 1/5th of the price and has +150 to three stats... The ancient costs 5x more and gives you +154 to each stat....
Now... Ask yourself is it worth the AD? To me, NO! 4 stat points? forget that... but to some people the +4 is worth it to them...
That is what your in a sense asking.... is the SMALL benefit worth the man hours and AD investment? Only you can answer...
If your an 18yr old kid not in school, not working, living in your parents basement... Go ahead and re-level... If you have any real life time commitments, ill wager its not worth the 30hours itll take to hit max level...
Worst GF NA
Worst GF NA
+5% crit damage is very nice.
+2Str
+2Dex
is very nice too.
My Stats: 24str, 22Con, 16Dex (Base stats without any buffs/bonus (campfire)).
5500power
22% crit %
24% arpen
14% recov (+Features)
Its really nice for PvP...
And here is the reason:
Would you mind posting your gateway profile link? Just curious what armor, weapon set and enchants.
Everyone is quick to jump on the dwarf bandwagon for GF's which I find quite odd considering that the only perks they get are a negligible resistance to DoT effects and knockback(10% proc rate and it's currently bugged).
People forget that the flat 3% defense increase humans get also is against damage from DoT attacks as well as normal attacks so the dwarf perk is somewhat diminished in my eyes. That means that the dwarf is left with a +2 to an additional stat which can equate to a 2% increase over what a humans base stat potentials are.
Personally I'd rather have the versatility and effect that the three extra feats grant over a flat 2% boost to an attribute. You can always respect a humans feats to improve it beyond any dwarf of the same build. You can't respect initial character stats.
Another race which often gets overlooked by "min-maxers" but make good GF's as well is Tieflings. Con boost, 5% bonus damage on enemies below 50% health and the Infernal Wrath perk is nice when it procs as well adding into some survivability on a tankier type of GF.
Halflings as well are another viable choice due to a con boost and a dexterity boost. Couple this with the racial 3% deflection and you're looking at a good defensive based character as Deflection is an immediate 50% damage reduction after base defense is taken into account.
Half orcs crit bonus is nice but the base speed increase going into combat is next to worthless for a GF as they have Lunging Strike and the at will Threatening Rush as gap closers. Making solely a DPS typ GF then sure why not, but I'll pass on the half orc GF.
Both elf breeds, wood and drow make less than ideal GF's from a statistical and view in my opinion and their racial boosts don't synch up well with the class in my opinion either.
Half-elves do show some promise with the dilettante boost ( a 1% increase to factors for that stat) and the spread out knack boosts for deflection and crit. Coupled with a Con boost and they actually make a very viable alternative for a GF.
All in all though, it will come down to a matter of personal play style preference. Do you want to be able to customize within the class abilities more and tailor to your own style? Then human is the way to go. Are you looking to max out a smaller spectrum of play style? Then human can work there as well though you may say slightly greater gains in singular focus with other races.
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Actually it is a +3% defense rating increase which isn't anywhere as good as a +3% defense boost, although it is still nice since any points you save this way can be re-allocated to other offensive/defensive stats.