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Sick and tired of the lazy balancing

jellichojellicho Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 104
edited July 2013 in The Thieves' Den
I'm done with this game once the TR changes go live. Apparently Cryptic's solution to the perma stealth build is to gut the class completely, ruining both PvE and PvP.

Without finding real ways to balance the class and keep it useful, they call across the board DPS nerfs "balancing".

Not wasting any more of my time with this.
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  • lltsnwnlltsnwn Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 787 Bounty Hunter
    edited July 2013
    I am sorry that TRs were nerfed but it was for the better. Just breathe!

    <removed meme>
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  • lostmarblesherelostmarbleshere Banned Users Posts: 654 Bounty Hunter
    edited July 2013
    what do you expect really?

    This isnt a subscription base mmo.

    They will put as little effort into this game just enough to keep tricking people into thinking or actually buying zen store stuff.
  • slayorianslayorian Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Lazy balancing? Try playing an SoE game. "Oh look this class is slightly underpowered, let's multiply their damage by 1000." So far, the balance changes coming in haven't been extreme or game breaking here.
  • ruprect1ruprect1 Member Posts: 67
    edited July 2013
    slayorian wrote: »
    Lazy balancing? Try playing an SoE game. "Oh look this class is slightly underpowered, let's multiply their damage by 1000." So far, the balance changes coming in haven't been extreme or game breaking here.

    Lol have you leveled a DC?
  • devlinnedevlinne Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    This topic will be moved to the obscure "thieves den" where it will die a natural death.

    I urge you and all of you that wish your suggestions on a BETTER way to be heard...Post here. http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?416851-Good-suggestions-to-the-TR-nerf-instead-of-raging

    Correct forum section, correct thread. Where the correct ppl MIGHT actually see it.
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  • lltsnwnlltsnwn Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 787 Bounty Hunter
    edited July 2013
    slayorian wrote: »
    Lazy balancing? Try playing an SoE game. "Oh look this class is slightly underpowered, let's multiply their damage by 1000." So far, the balance changes coming in haven't been extreme or game breaking here.

    I don't know about that... Astral Shield stacking nerf fundamentally changed how end game PvE and PvP was done...
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  • elkysiumelkysium Member Posts: 161 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    So will a lot of people, just like in STO, just like in all their other games, after about a year they will have what they wanted. Too bad the players won't like playing it anymore...

    As is stands now, i would have to say that in order of effectivenss and power...

    1. GWF
    2. CW
    3. TR
    4. DC
    5. GF

    This is how i feel the rating is. I can place 1st place in PvP with all classes. If you know how your skills works and your limitations you can **** anyone on any class. When you don't know how <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> works and you whine and cry and they change things that shouldn't be changed for the worse. Right now i think it IS fairly balanced, maybe a little love to GF and something with the GWF not sure, but the GWF kicks *** regardless lol.

    There are numerous ways to address the permastealth build. Or better yet understand how it works and adjust your fighting style. I've killed many permastealth builds with my GWF. You just have to be smarter than them lol.

    My 2 cents worth....
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    Kryndar: Level 65 HR/2nd Account: Lilith/62
    Goreb: Level 65 GWF/2nd Account: Tysha/62
    Bamidor: Level 65 OP/2nd Account: Valindra/62
  • lltsnwnlltsnwn Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 787 Bounty Hunter
    edited July 2013
    ruprect1 wrote: »
    Lol have you leveled a DC?

    +1 /vote!!!
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  • goddessuniquegoddessunique Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Wait, did they say the nerf was because of perm stealth builds? I can't find any post saying that. And if you can't kill a rogue as a gwf you should just delete you're character lol:p
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  • werealchemistwerealchemist Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    For those of you who are unaware of the changes they are (possibly) making here they are
    terramak wrote: »
    Trickster Rogue
    • Cloud of Steel: This power now has 8 maximum charges, down from 12.
    • Duelist's Flurry: When the bleed portion of this power is at 10 stacks, further applications now recalculate damage in addition to refreshing the duration.
    • Feat: Speed Swindle: This feat is now properly considered a Control effect for calculations and procs.
    • Lurker's Assault: This power now grants 5 / 10 / 15% bonus Crit Severity, instead of 20 / 40 / 60% bonus damage.
    • Stealth: At-will powers used from stealth will now partially deplete the Stealth Meter.


    anyone that wants to comment on permastealth rogues please refer to
    • Stealth: At-will powers used from stealth will now partially deplete the Stealth Meter.
    as this is all that was needed to put the hammer on permastealth

    anything beyond that such as
    • Lurker's Assault: This power now grants 5 / 10 / 15% bonus Crit Severity, instead of 20 / 40 / 60% bonus damage.
    this is absolute utter bull**** as it has been the only useful daily rogues had since they nerfed our last daily. now rogues have absolutely <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> for dailys.
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  • elkysiumelkysium Member Posts: 161 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    goddessunique wrote: »
    Wait, did they say the nerf was because of perm stealth builds? I can't find any post saying that. And if you can't kill a rogue as a gwf you should just delete you're character lol:p

    Yeah a normal rogue...

    Try fighting a permastealth...

    GWF is the only one that can keep up with them because of their run...
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    Elkysium: Level 65 CW/2nd Account: Krystalyn/62
    Artemis: Level 65 TR/2nd Account: Fayne/62
    Zantoth: Level 65 DC/2nd Account: Nemea/62
    Kryndar: Level 65 HR/2nd Account: Lilith/62
    Goreb: Level 65 GWF/2nd Account: Tysha/62
    Bamidor: Level 65 OP/2nd Account: Valindra/62
  • brataccasbrataccas Member Posts: 57
    edited July 2013
    goddessunique wrote: »
    Wait, did they say the nerf was because of perm stealth builds? I can't find any post saying that. And if you can't kill a rogue as a gwf you should just delete you're character lol:p

    I used to play STO a lot, there's a plethora of legacy PvP issues there that Cryptic have compounded over the years by Zen-Store power-creep and the last time I heard anything from a Dev on PvP, there was no-one working on it - just one, enthusiastic systems guy trying to fix broken PvP mechanics in his lunchbreaks. That may have changed but from the few times I've logged back in there since, PvP seems largely the same.

    So, is this about Perma-Stealth Rogue builds in PvP? I'd say no - Cryptic doesn't care about PvP and doesn't put any resources into it, my suspicion is that it's to do with something they were unhappy with in PvE - what that is, I couldn't say but what I *can* say is that I know a Rogue that can solo Castle Never - no other class can come close to doing that.

    Maybe I'm wrong - I don't play a TR but something about the current state of Stealth builds has prompted this - the fact that these changes don't actually prevent Perma-Stealth builds would indicate it's not simply down to the cries of non-Rogue PvP'ers.
  • thesakarithesakari Member Posts: 108 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    In preparation for this patch I just redesigned my spec. When building this new spec I was FORCED to focus on:

    #1. Not being in stealth
    #2. Having a lower crit chance

    lmfao what class am I playing again? Bad game design is bad.
  • millimidgetmillimidget Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    jellicho wrote: »
    I'm done with this game once the TR changes go live. Apparently Cryptic's solution to the perma stealth build is to gut the class completely, ruining both PvE and PvP.
    OMG awesome. I might actually reinstall at some point. Stealth+burst is the lamest class design in MMO history, even if stealth is awesome...in pve.
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  • chrono0812chrono0812 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 501 Bounty Hunter
    edited July 2013
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  • goddessuniquegoddessunique Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    elkysium wrote: »
    Yeah a normal rogue...

    Try fighting a permastealth...

    GWF is the only one that can keep up with them because of their run...

    I don't think a perm stealth would work either because as soon as I see a dagger, I use come get some and it instantly cancels their stealth and you know what happens next lol
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  • ambisinisterrambisinisterr Member, Neverwinter Moderator Posts: 10,462 Community Moderator
    edited July 2013
    Sorry but in the effort of keeping a clear and concise community discussion we are closing the multiple TR "Nerf" topics.

    The two we are currently allowing/merging/directing to are:
    New Changes to Rogue.
    Stealth Build Now Dead....

    Please free free to express one's opinions there-in, RoC abiding.
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