Shield Damage discrepency - what am i doing wrong

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• w3est0fn0w3r3 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 0 Arc User

  July 2013 edited July 2013

  In AoE Chilling cloud will do more damage that MM due to the 3rd proc... also he may be feated with the 8sec damage buff from Chilling Cloud too which gives all his powers a boost when it's active. so he could be pumping up Shield before he pops it by doing a rotation of Cloud.

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• kerrovitarra Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users Posts: 559 Bounty Hunter

  July 2013 edited July 2013

  And you simply support to him, cause of you wearing HV and he don't.

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• pfft2 Member Posts: 301 Arc User

  July 2013 edited July 2013

  errantvolley wrote: »

  On single target I was way ahead of him (behold boss fight for example). Looking at the log I noticed a few things. First he doesn't appear to use magic missile. Instead he uses Chilling Cloud. On most skills we had about the same average damage. On Shield Pulse and Steal Time he did MUCH more than me. His average Steal Time was 21k to my 5k. His average Shield Pulse 32k to my 7k. His max Shield Pulse was 850k to my 30k!
  

  
  (Emphasis mine.)
  
  It's hard to say where the damage discrepancy comes from because it's unclear exactly what kind of discrepancy you're describing. In the first bolded sentence, for instance, you appear to describe a difference in per-target damage ("he hit that target for 21k and I only hit it for 5k!"). In the third bolded sentence you appear to describe a difference in aggregate damage ("he hit X number of targets for an obscene amount of damage, whereas I hit fewer targets for much much less").
  
  So what made you notice the discrepancy? Were you just looking at individual numbers popping up over the targets' heads? Or were you comparing parses? If you're saying that an equivalently geared Wizard outdamaged you on a per-target basis by as much as ~2800% (850k / 30k = 28.3), then the obvious answer is either that you're mistaken, or that the other Wizard hacked the game.
  
  Even the smaller differences you describe, if they're on a per-target basis, appear impossible. No amount of Feat bonuses will account for a 300% damage disparity between equally geared players. If anything, you ought to have higher spike damage because you have higher crit severity (Vorpal), and his Plaguefire enchantment should be helping your damage numbers almost as much as it helps his.
  
  The simpler and more plausible explanation, if you're simply comparing parses, is that he hit more targets than you did. A lot more.

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• ohman1336 Member Posts: 32

  July 2013 edited July 2013

  Difference is that you boost the entire group dps by applying HV debuffs while his selfish setup only boosts his own dps. Even if he has top damage, you still bring more to the group because you boost damage for the whole group with HV debuff.

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• errantvolley Member Posts: 46 Arc User

  July 2013 edited July 2013

  pfft2 wrote: »

  (Emphasis mine.)
  
  So what made you notice the discrepancy? Were you just looking at individual numbers popping up over the targets' heads? Or were you comparing parses? If you're saying that an equivalently geared Wizard outdamaged you on a per-target basis by as much as ~2800% (850k / 30k = 28.3), then the obvious answer is either that you're mistaken, or that the other Wizard hacked the game.

  
  
  It was per target and overall average. By the end of our CN run I believe I had 24m damage and he had 38m (we were the top two damagers). Beyond simply my hurt pride in my skills. Those numbers are nearly unbelievable so I hope build has something to do with them. I have never been so thoroughly out dpsed.
  
  I have the raw ACT parses if that would be helpful. His slotted skills are clearly different then mine. He has Chilling Cloud and Conduit of Ice in rotation with Shield, Entangling Force and Ray of Enfeeblement. He also uses Ice Storm.
  
  I will look into the Thaum spec feats to see if I can replicate the numbers.

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• cleanor Member Posts: 40

  July 2013 edited July 2013

  Simple answer, he hit more targets than you did with his Steal Time and Shield blasts, that explains the difference you write about for those skills.
  
  For overall damage, his using Ice Storm (and you likely Sing) will make a massive difference in DPS over a long run like CN.

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• copticone Member Posts: 0 Arc User

  July 2013 edited July 2013

  A Thauma build with CoI + Chilling Cloud, and the right feats will out damage ANY Magic Missile Renegade build by a mile. From my experience, my damage went up by at least 20% when I switched from Renegade to my current build, and that was BEFORE the 6/13 patch and the Renegade nerf.

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