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11k+ GS for Frozen Heart
rictor77
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Hi, maybe it's me, but a lot of folks on Dragon Server seem to want individuals who have a GS of 11k for FH. At the same time, I see people asking for 10k for Spider. GS, doesn't automatically make you do more dps than someone who is of a lower GS, nor does it take into player skill.
I feel that people who ask for such a high GS on "easy" runs like FH are looking to speed by stuff, and rely on gear to carry them rather than skill. My main, a DC went through everything this game has by farming dungeons; Spider, CN etc. (non-exploit). When the game first launched people did not have 10k+ GS they were at the minimum. Yet, it seems as if people feel that without a high GS for a low T2 - it can't happen.
Sorry for the rant!
I feel that people who ask for such a high GS on "easy" runs like FH are looking to speed by stuff, and rely on gear to carry them rather than skill. My main, a DC went through everything this game has by farming dungeons; Spider, CN etc. (non-exploit). When the game first launched people did not have 10k+ GS they were at the minimum. Yet, it seems as if people feel that without a high GS for a low T2 - it can't happen.
Sorry for the rant!
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You cant do a dungeon in thos game without first buying every piece of gear the dugneon drops
You can tell how good someone's gear is by their gear score. You can't tell how skillful they are without having played with them before.
Would you rather have someone with the gear to carry them(may or may not be skilled) or a person who doesn't have the gear to carry them(may or may not be skilled)? Remember that a failed run is a waste of an hour.
What's annoying, though, is that gear score doesn't take into account what stats are best for certain setups. Stacking power on a Conqueror feat Guardian Fighter gives HUGE gear score(13-14k), while Protector or Tactician tank Guardian Fighters can only get around 9.8k-10.5k gear score. Guess which build gets invited more often, no matter that they are inferior tanks?
Getting kicked for not having Avatar of War set is garbage. It's not even a very good set. 2 piece Vigilant and 2 piece Avatar is far superior.
This begs the question: If the players have already bought the best gear then wth are they farming the dungeon for??
Profit, of course. Here's on example: I'm on Mindflayer, and the current price of the Stalwart Helm (GF) goes for about 500k AD (Found in Lair of the Mad Dragon). Not bad for an hours worth of work, right?
By the way, FH is such an easy Epic DD, and I'm not even that good of a player. Get a GF with into the Fray to run circles around the last two bosses, marking everything in sight. Have a DC toss him a Healing Word from time to time, and the bosses go down quick-fast-and-in-hurry.
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Excellent point!
"Every saint has a past and every sinner has a future."
"Education is an admirable thing, but it is well to remember from time to time that nothing that is worth knowing can be taught."
"Life is too important to be taken seriously.":)
Also, the eternal argument: skill>GS. It's a PUG. Player skill can be in a guy with or without good gear. So, you can "roll the dice" and get a complete stranger into your group with bad gear or take your chances with a well geared guy. Gee, I wonder what a reasonable guy would choose.
Last, I have NEVER not invited a guy with low GS, even in CN. All I ask for in zone chat is experience. Guess what? I invite a 10k guy that tells me that has plenty of experience and turns out to be his first time after he is forced to admit that getting carried the whole run. People are willing to lie their way into getting invited into a experienced group so maybe I should start being "that guy" that has ridiculous demands so other people like the OP can complain about it.
P.S. You don't like these so called elitists? Ignore them and go make your own group. If you are true to your statements, you won't ask for GS either and you can make a 9k(or less) average party GS run and see how it turns out for you. After all, we all agree it's skill that matters right?
Edit: Conqueror spec is by far the best choice for GF. It can tank everything while also having enormous dps. If you are not conqueror, you are just bad. Your complaints to cryptic.
Just get a guild and never pug again.
Haven't seen a Conqueror spec GF that can outlive my Tactician Spec GF, even when I have Knight's Valor on.
If I had a nickle for how many T2 runs I never died as my Tactician GF, I'd buy a mansion.
If I had a nickle for how many times my Destroyer spec GWF has had to revive a 12-15k Conq GF, I'd buy a mansion for my mansion.
exactly correct.
Well, duh.
IF people only ever take someone who has run the dungeon loads of times before, of course you're forcing people to lie, otherwise they'd never get into any freaking dungeons. None of the fights are rocket surgery, and if you're so ADHD that you can't spare a minute before a boss fight to explain anything unusual, then that says more about what a lousy individual you are, than anyone else.
Right now, in order for a new player to get into dungeons, the route is essentially to buy all the gear, and lie your way into enough groups that you get a chance to see what's going on. This is all because of delightful individuals like you with their "LF2M DPS SPELL 10K+ GS EXP FAST RUN!".
(Oh yeah, and don't get me started on "fast run", aka "exploiting every single map hole and glitch that you can find", so it becomes more of a platform game for cheating weasels than a dungeoncrawl. A halfway decent group can chew through anything reasonably fast, barring CN. Often it's as fast as all the faffing about recovering from people dying when glitching, doors/chests not opening etc., too. CN is a bit of an exception, because there is so much trash with so many HP- but then there is a nice "throw stuff off the edge" mechanic that can save sanity there. I report people who glitch through the map now, and hope they get what's coming to them.)
I don't think Cryptic has ever banned anyone for more than 72 hours for map exploits, so i doubt any exploiters will mind too much...
I am not sure, a lot seem to have an attention span of about twelve seconds, and explode into sweary rageballs even if someone needs to brb for a ninja bio- 72 hours might just cause an aneurysm.
The extra survivability of the other paths only covers bad GF that can't move out of AOE/block or if you are using knight's valor your party's inability to dodge as well. If you need to have a bad build to make up for lack of skill then so be it. If I had a nickle for every time I've had to carry people through a cn run i'd be rich as well. If you are good you will never die at conqueror spec, while still being top or at the very least second in dps.
Don't go full Avatar of War set, the power+rec bonus for 4 seconds ain't even worth it
But well this is happening and is just a matter to adapt to it, pugs adapt being elitist on score because even if you dont know if they have the skill at least you know they have the stats... and the "exp" label can be avoided by just saying "hi, im not experienced in this dung, but i am a quick learner and i'm skilled", a few hours ago i pugged a FH by the queue sistem 3 mins before delves ended...
the first boss crushed the group badly, serious wipe... i regrouped the guys, gave a couple of tips on roles and skills to use and how to play their toons... and the rest of the dungeon was smooth for a newbies group in fh... some people has the patience some dont,man up and get used to it!
Btw 2 days ago i had the other side of pugging, got invited by 4 guildies that had a spot left for a tank, went to pirates(a preclear run) and we cleared the whole dungeon in 24-25 min, soooo fast that we had to wait a few mins to do the delves reconect thingy...
but when we did the game throw our DC out of game... and out of party... so we had no option but to 4 man pirate king boss with no DC... and we did almost easily by good teamwork and rightful use of our toons and skills... so you can find bad and great pugs...
Agreed. The best GWF armor combination right now is Avatar of War 2 pcs + Vigilant Warlord's 2 pcs + Ancient Castle Greatsword + Knot (this set will cost you around 3.5M - 4.M AD depending on server market).
Pretty much this ^
QTF ... just let the elitist be with their kind of attitude they will soon have a rapidly shrinking pool of players to play with and then they will quit and come to the forums to dis the game. I don't care about speed runs or gear score. I would take in anyone who can play their class well and can listen to directions.
As would I so long as the game lets me queue them into the dungeon (as in have the minimum to be allowed to queue). Skill > gear score.
Well said.
You haven't? I can tank CN mobs forever in Conq.