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irk2013
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On the shelf she goes. I am NOT going to take the beating I do in PvP because you hate Clerics. Righteousness is stupid and even IF we got 100% of our own heals we would still die in 2-3 hits from all these OP classes that deal massive damage.
Not to mention our pathetic damage. You want us to heal YET the healing mechanics for our self is a joke.
I implore anyone else who plays a Cleric in pvp to STOP playing one in PvP until they get fixed stop taking a beating and stand up for your class.
Not to mention our pathetic damage. You want us to heal YET the healing mechanics for our self is a joke.
I implore anyone else who plays a Cleric in pvp to STOP playing one in PvP until they get fixed stop taking a beating and stand up for your class.
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I couldn't agree more. Clerics, STOP PvPing!
We need you to queue up for PvE dungeons
So you're either terribly out geared, or you are a terrible player, pick one..
Having said that, clerics are definitely at the bottom of the pole, but not by much. And definitely not by the margins all you whiners seem to think.
CW's kill clerics with ease if they aren't absolutely horribly played. GF's can be very difficult to next to impossible to go up against. Rogues in perma stealth using stuns and/or cloud are difficult. Basically as long as the cleric never gets hit they can do fairly well, but if they are hit once by anything that controls or stuns its pretty much over for them (which is why you never want to go up against CW's if you are a cleric).
Yes please do stop. Make sure you do though because I see lot of people threatening ... but then continue to come on here and whine and *****. So, please do stop ... and then maybe the voices of the pro-active players may more easily be heard. The players who are looking to make sure things work as they're supposed to, who put forward ideas on how to balance things out while still keeping the class a challenge to play instead of relying on overpowered crutches. PvP can be a nightmare sometimes, yes, but I've never felt it was because my class was useless, it's usually more because it's filled with people like you, who bail at the first sign of a challenge.
Totally not so. My cleric is T2 in all defense gear, level 7 enchants, and spec'd into all defensive powers and feats. And yet still some geared rogues can take out 90% of my hit points in one strike from stealth, and finish me off within two more shots.
To be clear, this is not all rogues; in fact, my easiest combat is vs the typical rogue. However, a fully geared rogue played properly is a different story!
I see this a lot. I used to agree with it. The problem is health. Going from your standard 12 con to 20 con stops rogues from ever being able to kill you like that. Same with gwfs and CWS. The only reason gfs can still do it is cause they keep you locked down for so long.
You don't know me I don't bail, I have over 20+ hours of pvp on my Cleric. You and people like you are not helping the matter, all you are doing is saying Clerics are fine blah blah blah you are all probably TR's that like the easy kill.
As a cleric they're like the easiest kill for me, since i am a ranged fighter also and they have no stealth or unstoppable to run from me.
But i do agree that the class needs some tweaking, specially on the survivability part, i dont like the idea of relying on soulforge much.
He has a point. Its people like you that are the problem. Instead of figuring out what the issue is you want to point a finger at the entire player base. Cause it couldn't possibly be YOUR fault could it??
Guess what, I play a cleric, I have none of the problems you do. I haven't been 1, 2 , or even 3-shotted since the day I hit 60. I know in your tiny bubble of a world that's impossible. Maybe you should spend some time learning the game instead of being a whiney ******.
Funny because I see post after post after post saying the same thing as me. You can't have the # of posts that are out there saying how bad Clerics are in pvp and there NOT be a problem. If you are not getting 1-2-3 shotted then you are not playing with the big boys, because with the big boys who have all tene enchants you will get 1-2-3 shotted every once in awhile.
Well, I just un-installed today because I got to the point in crafting where I had to login and buy stuff off the AH and didn't feel like it was worth it.
Anyways, If anyone wants a 11.2k GS cleric with a $35 pet and the nightmare mount let me know. Leadership at level 13. Inventory full of various enchants since I was consolidating when I quit. Probably about 150k AD worth of enchants.
Say.. I have 2.4k defence, 34k hp and yet I can die in 1 hit. Sup with that?
I only have 9.3 K gearscore and get rarely one shotted. But I die alot.
There is no problem with the spells of the damage oriented cleric, because most of them have a good range. (Altough someone could ask why not not play a CW after all?) However, the support focused cleric strongest spells mostly require to be in combat. Astral shield ... virtuall no range. Sunburst ... PBAoE. Hallowed Ground ... yeah. Foremaster flame only heal your self if you right next to the target. Same goes with temp HP and healing bonus from sacred flame.
Now, where is the game design flaw? We take a medium armored support class with low hitpoints, no CC, no anti-CC, no special option to kite, and a 40% reduction to self heals into the middle of a fight where he even glow in blue light like a beacon for the enemy group, yelling: kill me, kill me ...
Yeah, I think it's obvious.
In a game designed like neverwinter, where a "Guardian" fighter at best guard him self, the support cleric need to have the highest defense in game because he will be always focued first. It doens't mater if a cleric is one shotted or not. Because if only 2 competent players assist, cleric is toast.
Every DC in the game has the same problems he does. Because the problems are not about how a DC is played, or about gearing (even if Gear can help if you reach, lets say, around 6000 power plus around 2000 at the rest of useful ones). It is an inherent problem to the current implementation of the class, mostly related with the difference between the damage a DC can do or heal compared with the incoming damage, the permastunned situation (impossible to avoid just now) in front of the rest of classes, lack of useful feats of similar level, lack of any defense, etc.
The problem goes critical at lvl60, when the classes have access to purples. And then the differences between classes does it really notable.
Only with a incredible LOT of calculations, some players (about 2-3 for shard) have built yet DCs mastering every possible sinergy in status and feats, min-maxing their gear at maximum, and some of they can -relatively- survive and doing well in a PvP session, if masterly played and mostly in premade parties.
Guess what, you are NOT playing a cleric. Because nobody playing one would say the nonsenses you did "I haven't been 1, 2 , or even 3-shotted since the day I hit 60". Enjoy your TR. And if some day you finally and really try to build a cleric, look for me at dragon and we will see how good player you are.
Sorry but you're full of it. It is a problem with the rogue class and we all know it. The idea that a class can crit well up to 35,000 while being in stealth is something that shouldn't be possible unless my character is naked.
At this point I've pretty much given up trying to heal because its not going to do **** anyway, might as well help my team by laser beaming as many enemies as I can before the rogue gets to me. I can live with being ping-ponged around the arena, I can handle being CCed, I can even handle GWFs that just keep coming and don't relent. What I cant live with is being put down before I can even cast an encounter.