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crystal7j
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I'm not trying to troll but omg after playing a CW to 40 and retooning as a cleric for some friends who want to try this game out I'm like omg omg omg this class sucks. Weak. I'll never hope to pvp so bye bye easy assdiamonds. I'm level 11 and I guess this class will do for parties with my fiends. They'll feel all pump next to my weak a s s.
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Nethertheless, it's an MMO, not every class needs to be imba in every situation. So clerics are just right the way they are.
Agreed with quote.
If you are only level 11 though it is way too early to judge the class - And considering all of the paragon trees for more powers, are not yet released. Then again, Clerics is not for everyone.
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What the above posters failed to state is that the Cleric is the ONLY class that MUST have the support of their teammembers to do their job in pvp. No other class is so dependent on others then the Cleric. It is funny how a TANK class can do the damage it does and have superior survivability yet the healing class needs to STFU and heal the team while the team ignores people on the Cleric....
The class is ok in pve but pvp it is a bad joke.
DC is HAMSTER weak, and has been continually nerf hammered into the ground since BWE1. It's the only class so weak it is completely dependent on everyone else, and a total fail in EVERY conceivable 1v1 situation. The sole exception being a moderately to severely injured opponent, and the DC has HoF daily up.
Every other class actually is a one man, self sufficient army.
Fighter classes, for example, have better damage output, better defenses & mitigation powers, more HP, better mobility, better CC, and better self healing power than a DC; and powers/feats with nearly the the same level of party support. One man army.
Either fighter class is vastly superior to DC in every respect, every way that matters; except for purely support powers that don't especially benefit the cleric in any way; or worse yet, benefit everyone at full strength except the cleric (healing), who suffers a gigantic, automatic nerf that devs have the nerve to call a 'class feature'.
Top all that off by literally excluding every meaningful power a cleric can offer a team in PvP from counting as assisting.
Clearly, DC is designed and intended to have no place in PvP.
People can struggle through it if they like, even do 'good' with strong team support; but roll any other class, give it a whirl, and you will be amazed by how much more effective it is.
DC and CW are still the most iportant classes on the PVE side of things.
In regards to PVP well it's pretty limited in this game anyways, so far. Besides it's a point control set up, and as you've noticed you get way more points for capturing / defending map nodes than simply killing people. As a DC I don't actively seek out 1 v 1 situations, I try to stick with at least one other guy, but I can handle things on my own. I can pretty much solo any calss but GF's. It doesn't work out everytime but good enough. Also, the idea often times isn't to kill pepole so much as I can prevent them from capping a node for a long time or smiply keep them busy till a tem member shows up and we take him down.
It seems to me most people just have no idea how a lot of Cleric stuff works and they take no time to test anything or really even try. But anyways this game isn't focused on PVP, it's just a little extra.
But specificially to the OP. Easy Asstral diamonds? Ok you get 4k from a pvp daily, like wow so it only takes you 25 days to get 100k...if that how you plan on making asstral diamonds then you won't be going much of anywhere anyways. But yeah your post really has no merit, neither of your char's are 60 and your cleric has like 3 hours of game play on him...
I agree to irk2013 that Devoted Cleric's are very dependant on other players, and very few people actually knows or cares about it, which usually ends up in Cleric Butchering, and no heals to the team!
If you don't protect your healer there will be no heals. And when it comes to PvP, it may actually not be the Devoted Cleric that is broken. Rogues still onehits, Guardian Fighters constantly Knockback, Control Wizards are very strong (In PvP) for being a CC class, etc.
There is still alot to be done to the game.
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- My name is Doc Holliday and I'm a cleric. What are you playing?
After the patch is like " They have 2 clerics , free win . "
all they needed to do was make it so AS no longer stacked, but instead they piled many nerfs on the clerics while buffing the melee classes to an incredible extent
if I don't like the group, I'll leave them right before final boss... figure I never get my fair share of the drops and I'm being pummeled without support and rogues race to the treasures cutting me out of even getting them, then the entire group can either coff up some of the better drops or they can go it alone without a cleric
any rudeness towards my cleric also may give rise to the group instantly losing their cleric, like I care as I can just find another group
Keep in mind, I'm still leveling, but I was in a skirmish when a GWF ran off separate from the party and got himself killed...he typed out "**** cleric". I noticed I was party leader, and kicked him...we finished the run as a foursome.
So don't take HAMSTER from people as a cleric. If the GWF, CW, TR want to spend ANOTHER hour waiting for a dungeon queue, or competing with the 100 other TR's in general chat trying to find a group, they're welcome to it...no class is needed nearly as much in this game as DCs.
And yes while I might not be able to do high damage... BUT! We are doing great. Taking our time and going through the quests. We have done two dungeons in the last 4 days (how long we've been playing) ... No one has cursed the cleric, But then again... NO ONE bloody explores the dungeons either... Every time they ran straight for the boss at the end...
As for pvp... Yeah I died the first time (was below level 15).. but the second time we were 28... and my team never died. I was able to keep every one healed and actually got one kill...
See everyone keeps saying. "Clerics suck" or "they don't do damage" or "they have to pot all the time"... What people need to do is this...
1. Stop complaining and QQ'ing... You are a cleric ... DUH!
2. Pick skills that let you attack AND heal!
I hardly EVER have to use pots. I'm able to keep the group alive and myself while still being able to do damage and what not. The only time people die around me is if they fall into them traps or off the cliffs...
Basically this is what I am saying...
If you wanna do damage, then pick the wizard. If you wanna tank a hundred mobs, then do the great weapon fighter. If you wanna be sneaky, then do a rouge. But! If you pick a cleric. Then shut up and do the job of healing!
Really? I've done dungeons without a cleric before including some epics. Also I have 2 clerics, 1 healing spec and one damage spec (faithful and virtuous trees respectively).
... I request you don't clutter forums with low level nonsense. Low level dungeons are part of tutorial, cleric is optional. Balance in pvp is different at different levels and at 60 it's totally different then at any other level. Until you're 60 you could restrain yourself from judging other people based on your vast knowledge.
And I must say I never got anyone blaming me for fail in dungeons yet - people are expected to dodge and use potions and if they fail to do that ... not your fault. If GF doesn't hold aggro, if CW doesn't control adds / push them off cliff... It's not like in other mmo's where healer gets the blame - it depends way more on other classes in this one. Also at many bosses TR is expected to solo boss with no support from other party members busy with million adds - if bad TR dies doing that it's not your fault either.
No matter how you look at it, clerics are the weakest class in PvP - sure, you can make them decent with skills, practice, the right gear, selection of feats and such - but they are always going to remain weaker in PvP.
That's just a fact....deal with it...and don't play a cleric in PvP if you cannot handle it.
I was wondering what was up with the 1st dungeon I did on my DC. It was stupidly easy content and you absolutely right the group didn't need a cleric. They would have been better off with another dps. But this was a lvl 16 CT.
Did some lowbie pvp and its pretty amazing how GF's totally own DC's with a sword/board yet rogues are less of a threat. At least it seems that way so far. I thought the DC would be more of a healer instead I'm rolling out some heals but mostly HOT's which kind of stink against burst. Or so it seems atm.
Class has been repeatedly nerf hammered into the ground ever since BWE1 ended.
I'm not in a guild, I always pug and I successfully completed all T2 dungeons including CN a lot of times. I admit fail ratio is big with pugs, mostly because of leavers / problems at end boss. I'm sure there are lots of people who still blame cleric for everything I just had luck and got the silent types or maybe they scared I'll leave them stranded if they flame me :P. I'm talking about cleric part of it only here... now not knowing all exploits/etc. that is what I think everyone got flamed for at some point... tho usually it's not bad if you pay attention. I would prefer non-exploitable dungeons, but in pugs everyone expects you to know all exploits and use them - I blame cryptic for bad map design not players.
As for end game PvP, the cleric does need some improvement, starting with the tier 2 pvp set.
BTW, the OP is a sensationalist. Should be obvious from the original post (level 11 cleric + "omg omg") and his/her history. Don't even bother giving tips.
Eh, no..."end-game" is not all about PvP - in fact, I personally find that part completely irrelevant and unnecessary. As far as PvE is concerned, clerics most certainly don't "suck".