Enough with Repel

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• kattefjaes Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users Posts: 2,270 Bounty Hunter

  July 2013 edited July 2013

  Compelling anecdote, male sibling.

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• degraafination Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User

  July 2013 edited July 2013

  Level 60 CW is my main, and a good CW is so vital for Epic DD's. Powers vary depending on what DD you do, but here's my normal set up.
  
  Spell Mastery: Entangling Force. This works like a little Arcane Singularity. Sucks all the mobs together unless they're immune to CC. Great for your GWF/AoE dps.
  Q: Shield. Pop right after casting an AS and you can refill so much of your AP bar. Also good for tossing mobs of ledges when the time comes.
  E: Ray of Enfeeblement. Not a control power, but helps so much with weakening bosses for your main DPS.
  R: Steal Time. Huge AOE CC/damage spell, and dazes all mobs. Love it.
  
  Main main role is CC, keeping adds away from boss, and RoE boss when I have a free moment. I use Repel in certain DDs, but shield can do the trick most of the time.

  
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• wholyhandgrenade Member Posts: 0 Arc User

  July 2013 edited July 2013

  I don't see CW's using repel much at all in level 60 PvP, before level 60 they use it like mad though.

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• mhblis1 Member Posts: 167 Bounty Hunter

  July 2013 edited July 2013

  You don't say what dungeon you ran which would impact on the below.
  
  See that's a great experience but nothing you described makes use of any new powers. In fact you even mention him using Shield and Repel. So he could still have shunted the majority of the little mobs off the edge and then helped group deal with non minion stuff. What you've written up is actually what I expect a good CW to do. Its those that think they should be repelling everything that is actually the worst.
  
  Also who cares if your DPS is lower than the rest of the groups that's not your job. CW is Control wizard if you're not managing the adds so that your DPS can destroy them you are not playing your roll in the group.
  
  Problem isn't Repel, Sunburst, Shield, all the other knock backs it is actually people who use them poorly.
  
  But yes in a party where people know how to play it is a whole different experience. We had double GWF and a GF the other day and on our first run we had a CW who would actually Singularity on us so we could plow the adds down he didn't knock over the edge. Sadly he had to sub out and we spent the next two runs trying to explain to the CW why he should be doing that rather knocking the mobs all over the place.

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• johnygwapo Member Posts: 442 Arc User

  July 2013 edited July 2013

  my dps dont go low even i do push mobs off the cliff

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• tonywong78 Member Posts: 8 Arc User

  July 2013 edited July 2013

  You don't need dps when repel one shots mobs. Most obvious example of this is the last section pirate king where all the bridges and ledges are. You lose out on greens (HA! unless you think 125 AD is worth getting 5-7 silver, forget identifying them) but you get to the big prize much faster: seals and boss drops. At L60 you don't need exp and the gold dropped is a pittance, so I love CWs who throw their arcane singularities right over a drop and push all those annoying mobs off cliffs.

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• flynnie Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 19 Arc User

  July 2013 edited July 2013

  My thoughts are you can always switch out your skills
  I rarely use Repel and Shield but when I do its for bosses or there is a cliff near by.
  Believe me, I have had irate people chewing me out even for using tabbed repel on mobs that are about to break the tank's guard or going after the cleric. After a while I just stopped using it unless we were doing a boss. Let me tell you a lot of the T2 NEED AoE Repel not to mention if there are enough mobs 1 shield pulse can give you full action points to cast Arcane Singularity.
  Sadly I have yet to even complete a T2 dungeon for there is a sever lack of smart players at level 60. Most notably: A Cleric that doesn't use any at wills nor tries to avoid mobs just stands there. Also other control wizards that dont use Repel on a boss that obviously needs it, such as The Pirate King.
  As far as damage goes.. I am guessing people don't know how to use enfeeble or spec the mitigation feat tree. In pvp enfeeble can make your skills hurt immensely. Tabbed Steal time give your whole party combat advantage. Viser T2 set for control wizard can steal defense.

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• revocaine Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 58

  July 2013 edited July 2013

  Cool. Now try Dracolich without knocking mobs over railing and tell us how it went.

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• jigles Member Posts: 1 Arc User

  July 2013 edited July 2013

  mhblis1 wrote: »

  You don't say what dungeon you ran which would impact on the below.
  
  See that's a great experience but nothing you described makes use of any new powers. In fact you even mention him using Shield and Repel. So he could still have shunted the majority of the little mobs off the edge and then helped group deal with non minion stuff. What you've written up is actually what I expect a good CW to do. Its those that think they should be repelling everything that is actually the worst.
  
  Also who cares if your DPS is lower than the rest of the groups that's not your job. CW is Control wizard if you're not managing the adds so that your DPS can destroy them you are not playing your roll in the group.
  
  Problem isn't Repel, Sunburst, Shield, all the other knock backs it is actually people who use them poorly.
  
  But yes in a party where people know how to play it is a whole different experience. We had double GWF and a GF the other day and on our first run we had a CW who would actually Singularity on us so we could plow the adds down he didn't knock over the edge. Sadly he had to sub out and we spent the next two runs trying to explain to the CW why he should be doing that rather knocking the mobs all over the place.

  
  Spider Dungeon.

  Collision - LVL 60 TR ○○○ ENYO - LVL 60 CW

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• pw3cka Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 125 Bounty Hunter

  July 2013 edited July 2013

  jigles wrote: »

  at 1st i just wanna say this is only my opinion, from my game experience with gameplaying with my guildies.
  
  Everywhere (even the CW's) complain about repel.
  
  CW's complain "ohh... they just want me to repel " ... "i cant control anything with my wizard... or my dps is lower than others"
  
  Others complain that CW's dont do good dps...
  

  
  You will never be effective and you will never have real fun without switching skills on fly..
  
  Learn what is best for what part of dungeon and don't be afraid to switch encounters..
  
  Works like charm, you are either top DPS with bad party or little bit below TRs in a good party.
  You have a lot of fun controling where it's appropriate and you push mobs out where necessary (and thats also fun )
  
  Once you learn the compositions, you will even find it quite quick to switch the skills
  
  EDIT: I would also like to add that my build is done this way. Not really focused on one but balanced. A lot for DPS, but I run High Vizier set and rest crit power recovery armor pen in equip..

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• jigles Member Posts: 1 Arc User

  July 2013 edited July 2013

  pw3cka wrote: »

  You will never be effective and you will never have real fun without switching skills on fly..
  
  Learn what is best for what part of dungeon and don't be afraid to switch encounters..
  
  Works like charm, you are either top DPS with bad party or little bit below TRs in a good party.
  You have a lot of fun controling where it's appropriate and you push mobs out where necessary (and thats also fun )
  
  Once you learn the compositions, you will even find it quite quick to switch the skills
  
  EDIT: I would also like to add that my build is done this way. Not really focused on one but balanced. A lot for DPS, but I run High Vizier set and rest crit power recovery armor pen in equip..

  
  Thats the all point on this post. People choose a class that really enjoy to play, adapt tp it, adapt it to him.. and have fun playing it.
  
  Congratz on that m8
  
  EDIT: Cause i see many times for example people create a TR just cause all people say it op, and then dont know how to play it and in consequence dont have fun

  Collision - LVL 60 TR ○○○ ENYO - LVL 60 CW

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• djtlite Member Posts: 42 Arc User

  July 2013 edited July 2013

  See, i get told to run chill strike on my CW and that because my only group CC that i use regularly is steal time, im a bad wizard (one guildie in particular says this) i have focused on arcane spells, use ray in spell mastery, have entangling force, steal time and storm pillar. I use them and my pwn positioning and my deliberate drawing of threat to group the adds together when i cant singularity, force choke big guys, then drop storm pillar on heavy add concentrations. In addition i repel in the areas i should, my dps is usually number 2, below the TR but above the other CWs. I ray bosses every chance i get and can wizard tank bosses while the GF distracts giant add groups that dont control easily (lookin at you Epic Pirate king adds, pre-nerf). My question to the community is, if i do this, am I not playing CW well? (Also i found that playing DC is far easier, just CD AS, sunburt to generate AP, healing word to spot heal, astral seal the boss, and hallowed ground when i can)

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• desjardinii Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 193 Bounty Hunter

  July 2013 edited July 2013

  djtlite wrote: »

  See, i get told to run chill strike on my CW and that because my only group CC that i use regularly is steal time, im a bad wizard (one guildie in particular says this) i have focused on arcane spells, use ray in spell mastery, have entangling force, steal time and storm pillar. I use them and my pwn positioning and my deliberate drawing of threat to group the adds together when i cant singularity, force choke big guys, then drop storm pillar on heavy add concentrations. In addition i repel in the areas i should, my dps is usually number 2, below the TR but above the other CWs. I ray bosses every chance i get and can wizard tank bosses while the GF distracts giant add groups that dont control easily (lookin at you Epic Pirate king adds, pre-nerf). My question to the community is, if i do this, am I not playing CW well? (Also i found that playing DC is far easier, just CD AS, sunburt to generate AP, healing word to spot heal, astral seal the boss, and hallowed ground when i can)

  
  I dont think it is a matter of a good/bad CW, but more so does your playstyle work well with groups that you play with. As a GF, I have ran with CW's that throw mobs all over (because they cant position themsleves right to knock off a cliff), throw them where they need to go, or my all time favorite is to use shield to push mobs all over AFTER singularity is done. Im with the other poster above where he ran spider. Singularity/shield followed by steal time to stun the mobs lets anyone with AOE melt through them. I think what mkaes a good CW, or any class for that matter is how well they know their role withing a group, and how they can integrate themselves within that group. While you can complete a dungeon just fine with 5 players playing individual builds that dont care about anyone else, it is so much smoother and more enjoyable when you get a group that has skills that synergize with not only their build, but others in the group as well.

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• aaronjf Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 0 Arc User

  July 2013 edited July 2013

  desjardinii wrote: »

  I dont think it is a matter of a good/bad CW, but more so does your playstyle work well with groups that you play with. As a GF, I have ran with CW's that throw mobs all over (because they cant position themsleves right to knock off a cliff), throw them where they need to go, or my all time favorite is to use shield to push mobs all over AFTER singularity is done. Im with the other poster above where he ran spider. Singularity/shield followed by steal time to stun the mobs lets anyone with AOE melt through them. I think what mkaes a good CW, or any class for that matter is how well they know their role withing a group, and how they can integrate themselves within that group. While you can complete a dungeon just fine with 5 players playing individual builds that dont care about anyone else, it is so much smoother and more enjoyable when you get a group that has skills that synergize with not only their build, but others in the group as well.

  
  When playing my tank, I can't stand it when cw's just knock <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> all over with no purpose other than knocking them around. Gather the stuff up so we can beat it down more quickly. It is a pain to gather stuff just to have it knocked right back out of range. A cw is my main and it is a blast. Knock back is good in certain situations for sure but not good for every situation.. Most times people prefer stuff to be stacked in a group so those w/ aoe abilities can use them to the fullest extent. AS followed by steal time is a nice cc

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