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lev 40 Dc could use some tips on dungeon runs
pinkleet
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I am not sure rather this game blows hard on healers or I just am not fit to play one. Almost ready to give up on running any dungeons at all. Every pat I am swarmed by the adds, often to the point that I just have to keep moving without even a chance to cast the astral seal so my teammates can have a bit heals while dpsing something.
Trying to land a heal on a tank is just pointless 90% of the time someone else in the pile of mobs/dpsers gets the HOT. Using Soothing light is not an option when you have 2 big *** mofos on you + 4-8 archers.
Boss fights are even worse. The continuous adds spawning comes to the overwhelming point where I am going flat chased by everything in the room while trying to dodge the freaking aoe attacks from adds and boss. I am lucky if I get a chance to put seal on few mobs. There were so many times that I had everything on me there was just nowhere to slide out of the red marks covering the whole freaking floor.
I am really ready to give up. During boss fights I can't do anything but slide/run away from every add and their mother chasing and targeting me. How the hell am I supposed to even cast anything when I am consistently covered by aoe from everything in the room and target by those ****ing archers as well.
Is this getting any better at 60? How do you do boss fights as cleric? What is the job of the dps? Are they supposed to clear the adds when they pop? I could really use some tips guys, help appreciated.
All the guides here say deal with aggro. OK show me how than, because I can't survive long chased by everything in the room. Could someone share some tips on boss fights?
I am 43 now and last 10 levels dungeon runs were just.. idiotic. I had 1 decent run when the tank held aggro off more than just the boss, and another when the GWF was taking the biggies and archers off me. Other 20 runs were just .. frustrating.
O and Cryptic? Please do something about people dcing in dungeons. It's becoming a plague under 60.
Any tips and help appreciated, thanks.
Trying to land a heal on a tank is just pointless 90% of the time someone else in the pile of mobs/dpsers gets the HOT. Using Soothing light is not an option when you have 2 big *** mofos on you + 4-8 archers.
Boss fights are even worse. The continuous adds spawning comes to the overwhelming point where I am going flat chased by everything in the room while trying to dodge the freaking aoe attacks from adds and boss. I am lucky if I get a chance to put seal on few mobs. There were so many times that I had everything on me there was just nowhere to slide out of the red marks covering the whole freaking floor.
I am really ready to give up. During boss fights I can't do anything but slide/run away from every add and their mother chasing and targeting me. How the hell am I supposed to even cast anything when I am consistently covered by aoe from everything in the room and target by those ****ing archers as well.
Is this getting any better at 60? How do you do boss fights as cleric? What is the job of the dps? Are they supposed to clear the adds when they pop? I could really use some tips guys, help appreciated.
All the guides here say deal with aggro. OK show me how than, because I can't survive long chased by everything in the room. Could someone share some tips on boss fights?
I am 43 now and last 10 levels dungeon runs were just.. idiotic. I had 1 decent run when the tank held aggro off more than just the boss, and another when the GWF was taking the biggies and archers off me. Other 20 runs were just .. frustrating.
O and Cryptic? Please do something about people dcing in dungeons. It's becoming a plague under 60.
Any tips and help appreciated, thanks.
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You should use Foresight and the Foresight feat. It's an 11% damage reduction. Also have enough def on your equipment.
Last, the archers are a problem if noone is responsible for them. Tell someone in the party to take care of them exclusively.
You underestimate your allies. Potions are dirt cheap (and drop everywhere at these levels) and GFs are more or less self-sufficient when it comes to keeping themselves alive, except in intense boss fights. They have very strong "heals" of their own, GFs. You are not expected to keep everyone fully healed - you are only expected to heal just enough so everybody stays alive, while buffing everyone with Foresight or helping kill mobs. This may change at higher levels when Astral Shield comes into play, but for now this is your reality.
You are expected to voice out any problems you might be facing during dungeon runs. If people do not listen to you, ie, they still allow an unholy amount of mobs to keep chasing you then do not bother trying to aim Healing Word/Soothing Light on the tank and attend to your own needs. Slot Chains and use it on mobs, or use your Divine Forgemaster's Flame on the elite mob closest to you. If people complain that you're not healing them, then tell them that it's impossible for you to heal them if you're being chased by half the mobs in the boss fight. That usually shocks them into trying to find an arrangement that will help minimize the amount of adds chasing you. If not, leave. Help other clerics by setting a precedent for PUGS - HAMSTER off the cleric by not doing your job = dungeon run ends. You should consider this especially when there are multiple GFs or if there's a GWF in the party. Generally CWs at these levels will also be struggling with adds getting aggroed by their own spells so don't expect too much from them (unless there's two, and neither of them are using Arcane Singularity) but GFs, and GWFs in particular, are expected to help you deal with adds. Same story with multiple TRs - one TR must be helping you deal with adds, unless both of them have really insane DPS. Having two TRs focus on a boss is generally a recipe for disaster at these levels, especially if everyone else is not killing adds fast enough.
For your part, you should start accepting the reality that you are expected to spam potions during boss battles and that, at these levels, you yourself must have some means of dealing with adds. You are not expected to deal with all of them, but your are expected to have some defenses of your own (chains, etc). Also, take the time to explain to your allies how Astral Seal and Forgemaster's Flame works whenever possible.
On my gear, I focus on defense and recovery while trying to keep decent crit (everything has power on it). Running about 1000 defense, recovery, power (maybe 400-600 crit?) with my ioun stone. For feats, basically following unspecifiederror's guide.
I'm running dungeons with divine armor (just got this one recently), hallowed ground, sunburst, forgemasters, and daunting light, sacred flame and astral seal for at wills, and foresight (feated) and holy fervor for features. I guess I've been luckier because most of my dungeon runs haven't had too many adds on me, or at least not more than I can handle.
I sunburst a lot to gain divinity, use divine forgemasters and astral seal as my heals, and nuke the adds causing problems with daunting light (divine if they're more spread out). With holy fervor, I build AP fast, so I use my dailies if I'm not going to need them soon and they'd be helpful. After all, if your AP is full, you're not gaining any AP.
Definitely use potions, and if things aren't going so well during the boss battle, use them on cooldown if the healing isn't going to go to waste. I generally don't need them on the trash.
You should have lots of practice avoiding red. Be good at it. Your party might be full of idiots standing in it, but they get 100% of your healing and you don't, so you can't afford to be it in very much. Often, getting out of the red is more helpful than any ability you could cast that would keep you in it.
As was said, it's not your job to keep your party's HP full. They have potions too (or should). Our job is to keep them alive long enough to kill the boss, and any extra healing that saves them from popping a potion is bonus.
Some fights require killing or controlling adds; other fights you can just DPS the boss down and only worry with a couple of annoying adds. If it's the former and you're party isn't helping, just saying something can often help. "Sorry I couldn't get to you, those adds were all over me knocking me around."
The end boss on Grey Wolf Den was murder with the group I ran it with. Only the CW and I were aware of how awful those spirit dogs were, and we couldn't handle them all with all the other adds on top of us too (and with the rest of our party standing in the boss's aoe spawning more of them). I think we beat that one on the third try by luck.
Basically I would stick to the CW like glue. In rare instances without a CW, I just practice staying behind the boss (in relation to the tank). The most important thing to do is to go into the boss battle with HG up. Put it down, Astral Seal only what people have already dealt damage to, use Sunburst and Chains on mobs, Divine FF the boss, Astral Seal and Sacrad Flame until your encounters come up. Whenever FF comes up, Astral Seal the boss and apply it. Don't even look or hesitate. You have to spend it to get HG back up, along with everything else.
CW don't usually mind a divine Sunburst and it won't move a boss the tank is on. As for mobs chasing you, you have to work on keeping a margin of cast available to yourself. Then alternate Sunburst and Chains and go to the closest teammate. Stand right on them until they get the picture.
There are tricks to it, but even with those, it's still nasty.
I am going to try to slot chains instead of hot see if that helps a bit. It would be really awesome if some1 could make like a mini guide for each dungeon thou. Put tricks and mechanics of each boss, and what's the best order of doing things. It seems that at lower levels a lot of people have the idea to kill the boss and ignore the adds and it is not working well.
Anyway. Thanks all for responding and help.
Get to 60 asap by any means ( pve , pvp , foundry whatever ) .
I mean ... really? REALLY??? I thought wow was bad.. gezzzus. Are people that brainless?
I hope you realize that you are dealing with a player base very different from that of other MMOs like WoW here. Neverwinter is international, free and has much lower PC requirements than most MMOs. Bottomline, a lot of the people you are playing with are newbies. It doesn't help that the game currently gives you quest XP like crazy, so people are getting to level 40+ even when they haven't even fully mastered their class yet.
And tanks do not have a dash/charge, except one which only works when there's a hostile mob around. It's normal to find them at the back of the group if everyone else is refusing to wait for them.
We have a lot of old wow type mmo players where the healing is very different. Many people are used to being able to stand around in the HAMSTER on the floor and just get healed through it by a competent healer. Here even with the best healers if you stand in the HAMSTER you are probably gonna die. Takes a while for people to get used to that.
Tanks don't have to be the first into the fray either, in many cases it can even be the healer actually making the pulls and the tank hanging back to see what comes along and which mobs he is best off jumping on. Just depends what your group can handle. If people are running off in different directions and pulling the world thats their funeral though.
Then you do have a far greater newbie crowd too as the guy above me said. People who just don't have a clue how to co-operate in an mmo yet or who have only played solo up until mid level dungeons.
Yeah it can be frustrating but its a lot of fun too. Especially if you take a breath and don't treat it as seriously as you might other games. Remember you can't heal stupid, and here half the time you can't even heal clever lol
This is true, I have a dps spec cleric, and I have done dungeons with her as the only cleric, when they dont see me healing they start dodging. Might be a good thing for a non-dps cleric to do though if people aren't keeping adds off you, just to see if the other players can dodge and stuff.
Leveling instances are training instances. This is when you most want to get in pugs and run those. Even if you're the best cleric in the world, your dps needs to learn to watch out for you or wipe. Otherwise, at 60, you get dps that doesn't know to watch out for the healer and much frustration endgame. It's a lot less painful to wipe or have the group give up at 40 than at 60 when there's gear you actually want/need on the line.
Unfortunately for them, I play a cleric not because I wanted to be a healbot but because I was intrigued by the leader role. Thus, when I find myself in a party where everyone is doing this I would drop the Mother Teresa act and forego the use of my standard encounter powers. Chaos ensues. It's all fun, though. If they expect you to act like a saint while they themselves willfully act like spoiled children, then don't hesitate to use them as guinea pigs for your power-testing experiments. You might learn something new, and please don't forget to tell the rest of use if you do.
I concur with this quoted passage and sums up my reason for being a cleric and the frustrations that come with teaming with "spoiled children."
I have taken the time now to NOT cast Astral Shield or any other healing or buffs when the party I am currently with completely disregards teamwork/are not making any effort to help others. That way, they realize that they are simply cannon fodder to a mob of enemies while I sit at a dungeon campfire with a "Brb, need a drink."
Cleric: Marquis Elmdore - Current Main
Wizard: Iamblichus
Fighter: Anna the Titan
Barbarian: Anann Valkyrja
Ranger: Minerva Cory'phaia
Warlock: Suri Coralyne Reid
Guild: She Looked Level 18.
Alliance: Imperium
Thanks to all your posts/info, every HAMSTER and 5 years old in game keeps dpsing the boss and letting the cleric “off tank” the adds. Unfortunately in order to cast something that heals we have to stand still for a second which is becoming impossible when you have the whole freaking room of adds chasing you. On the top of that we are also focused by every range mob in the room little or large that chips our HP even faster.
Stop posting this HAMSTER all over forums and teach people how to take care of clerics. Perhaps than you will not have to sit and keep spamming chat for clerics when DD hr is on.
1-make friends with a GF who had enforced threat,into the fray, and threatening rush slotted and doesn't attempt to simply herpa derp DPS.
2-Make friends with a *control* wizard.
3-Maked friends with a rogue who understand his/job is to burn down elites/bosses and not trash.
4-Makes friends with a good sentinel specced GWF. This is a littler harder then the other 3.
5-Slot sunburst,astral shield always. For your third you rotate between FF and bastion of health. Dailies-Divine armor and HG.
6-Understand 75% of the player population is bad.
7-Have some pie.