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Why the debuff on WMS needs to go.

lordgawdlordgawd Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 3 Arc User
edited July 2013 in The Militia Barracks
Currently Weapon Master Strike(WMS) applies a debuff which increases At-Will damage by 30%.

What this means is that with careful timing (no I don't consider the sprint-cancel exploit to be careful timing) one can maximize their AoE potential with a mix of WMS and Reaping or Wicked Strikes. To maximize single target damage one would still need to use WMS and then Sure Strikes (or Reaping if Destroyer?).

However the description you give at class selection, and everything on your Wiki clearly states 'This class relies on brute strength alone to overcome the enemies.'

No where does it mention careful timing, or a forced At-Will choice. WMS needs to stand on par with Wicked/Reaping strike as it's own ability. Not as some debuff to be applied.


The other reason it needs to go is simple, if GWF's damage is balanced around 100% uptime on WMS (which it clearly seems to be) what happens when another paragon path appears?

That path will suddenly be doing 30% less At-will Damage as they won't have access to WMS. Or will you simply cookie cutter copy WMS with a new name into the new path?

Please, for the love of dogs save us all the hassle and simply remove the 'bonus' At-will damage from WMS and apply it to the At-Wills themselves. Besides, looking at a 900+ Damage weapon and seeing at-will stated damage at 5-600ish is simply ridiculous.
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  • yeruneyerune Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    I think it adds flavor to the class and a different option to play. If anything, I would see it changed so it's a general damage-resist debuff, not just for the GFW's at-wills. That would imo justify such a large graphical display of the effect (which is a great way in pvp to keep TR's visible(ish) during stealth.)

    As for GWF only based on brute force.... I found the renegade drow's debuff works pretty nice on the GWF's aoe attacks and there are a number of feats that state they rely on grace and skill with the blade... so it's not that farfetched to be a very nimble and lite barbarian ;)
  • shultzillashultzilla Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 104 Bounty Hunter
    edited July 2013
    Careful timing? There's nothing careful about it. We mix in WMS with our rotations. 2 Rotations of WS is about all you can get while not in Unstoppable before applying another WMS.

    Just because it won't have the WMS debuff doesn't mean the class will suck, which it sounds like you're sayingm because they're losing the debuff. There could be 3 more Paragon Paths that will open up with the new paragon as the current 3 relate to Swordmaster. Or they could just change a few paragon feats to associate with the new paragon.
  • onehappygnadeonehappygnade Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    So get rid of something that helps with their DPS when it's a DPS class. Ya that makes sense >.>
  • simkinfoolsimkinfool Member Posts: 26 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    I've actually said much the same in other posts. The WMS debuff is too powerful, there is no alternative to using it. All specs must have WMS as one of the two at-wills or they are drastically reducing their performance. For those to whom reading complicated arguments is difficult I say this:

    No WMS? U R BAD.

    I'm fairly certain I got the vernacular correct. The problem as I see it is simple. WMS as it is right now is not a bonus, it is simply removing the artificially created vacuum that is within GWF At-Wills. Basically we are all running around with a big -30% At-Will damage buff applied to us and the only cure is more cowbell... I mean WMS.


    That and as I have previously said, I would like to be able to freely choose both my At-Wills based on encounter makeup. Personally I love the animation for Wicked Strike and for Sure Strike. It would be nice if I could use those two At-Wills together some day and not be seriously gimping my damage output by doing so.
  • ioannides5ioannides5 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    onehappygnade wrote: »
    So get rid of something that helps with their DPS when it's a DPS class. Ya that makes sense >.>

    in his suggestion we wouldn't lose dps; he's suggesting just to take the 30% damage buff from WMS and add it on to every at-wills current damage, meaning the damage output will be the exact same. To be honest, I second this idea.. being pigeon holed into using WMS/"x" is kind of lazy development and bad class design.
  • rathelasrathelas Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 46 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    ioannides5 wrote: »
    in his suggestion we wouldn't lose dps; he's suggesting just to take the 30% damage buff from WMS and add it on to every at-wills current damage, meaning the damage output will be the exact same. To be honest, I second this idea.. being pigeon holed into using WMS/"x" is kind of lazy development and bad class design.

    ^ This.
    Would love to see the day where we can take Reaping Strike/Wicked Strike or Sure Strike/Wicked Strike without gimping our damage cause we didn't bring WMS
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