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vold316
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This is absolutely unrelated to PvP balance in NW. I post this because I am tired of the cheap PvP of all the MMORPG, in general.
I am tired of the same PvP ecuation which is repeated in the most of MMORPGs, where:
GEAR >>> REFLEXES* >> BUILD = STRATEGY*.
*SKILL= STRATEGY & REFLEXES.
GEAR should not appear in the equation, that's for Dungeons where Players compete to have more DPS, HEAL, etc.
REFLEXES based PvP is for FPS games, shooters specially.
The perfect PvP for an MMORPG should be based on:
BUILD & STRATEGY >>> REFLEXES ; gear should not even appear on it, keep that for PvE.
Why? Because, there is no point on doing PvP to compare what gear is better or who has faster hands (in a non-FPS game).
Of course that PvP should not depend on the number of players involved (GW2 WvW = FACEPALM).
My favourite game for PvP: Neverwinter Nights 1 (regardless of some unbalances - in some servers it was almost perfect specially for team vs team).
I am tired of the same PvP ecuation which is repeated in the most of MMORPGs, where:
GEAR >>> REFLEXES* >> BUILD = STRATEGY*.
*SKILL= STRATEGY & REFLEXES.
GEAR should not appear in the equation, that's for Dungeons where Players compete to have more DPS, HEAL, etc.
REFLEXES based PvP is for FPS games, shooters specially.
The perfect PvP for an MMORPG should be based on:
BUILD & STRATEGY >>> REFLEXES ; gear should not even appear on it, keep that for PvE.
Why? Because, there is no point on doing PvP to compare what gear is better or who has faster hands (in a non-FPS game).
Of course that PvP should not depend on the number of players involved (GW2 WvW = FACEPALM).
My favourite game for PvP: Neverwinter Nights 1 (regardless of some unbalances - in some servers it was almost perfect specially for team vs team).
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"The harder the game, the better."
"The harder the game, the better."
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As for gear - gear is part of the "carrot on a stick" mechanic which keeps people wanting to strive toward the next piece and it also offers a sense of progression. What would you suggest - people hang up their gear and have to fight in their skivvies? That any PvP system force a certain set of stats on players? What if you're geared for crits, but I'm more focused on recovery? To strip players of their gear is to strip away part of their build.
"Is it better to be feared or respected? I say, is it too much to ask for both?" -Tony Stark
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That's why I added Reflexes in the equation. Because it will always be a factor in games which are real time, but that's why I say that I prefer reflexes to be a most important factor for FPS games rather than RPGs.
I understand your point. The thing is that when I talk about gear is really "differences of gear" (I will have to put an example of this game - Enchantments).
"The harder the game, the better."
Well, taking your example of enchantments - the higher your stats get, the more and more of a numerical increase in them you need to show an appreciable benefit. Going from 20 to 40 by upgrading a R1 enchant w/ a R2 is more noticeable than going from 90 to 120 for a R4 - R5. What kind of actual increase does having, say, R7's vs R5's have?
The place where things start to really diverge is when you get a newly-reached 60 w/ green gear vs one whose all geared up w/ purples.
Perhaps what is needed is a sort of tiering system based upon gear score and play experience - a person who rarely PvPs maybe shouldn't be thrown in with people who focus on it. A person who has PvP'd once or twice should maybe be placed w/ others of similar experience. Of course, the option to go to the full PvP instance should remain, but something that would ease the inexperienced into PvP might be a good idea...
"Is it better to be feared or respected? I say, is it too much to ask for both?" -Tony Stark
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That's not my point. I am saying that I enjoy a PvP where you compare how you built your character through leveling (abilities, feats, spells), and strategy; rather than a comparison of who has better equipment; this is a personal opinion.
"The harder the game, the better."
The whole argument about (if you remove gear from the equation players won't want to do it) is an outdated way of thinking. If a system was created awarding players cosmetic gear, gear that was unique which separates their character from the way other players looked, I would imagine that would encourage people to play. The design of the gear could change based on where you've placed on the player vs player ladder or by some other defining factor.
Of course this is only my opinion and I openly welcome opinions from other players on the subject.
Life is a dream for the wise, a game for the fool, a comedy for the rich, a tragedy for the poor.
~Sholom Aleichem
Yeah, I agree; although, from my point of view, build and strategy should be the most important things in PvP. You say Skill, and I partly agree with that; because skill for me means reflexes and strategy, and the reflexes should not be as important as the build and strategy in a RP game.
Another thing that attracts players to PvP is character build custimization, specially where PvP is closer to rock, paper, scissors.
"The harder the game, the better."
Go play GW2 then, some of us lie to grind gear for pvp, well apparently mostly of us as big companies have always developed gear for pvp (and no, im not a wow fan).
I pvp since UO times, if I want a game without gear on the equation I can play a FPS, League of legends, GW2 etc..
But I like to grind gear for pvp too, so I play othe rgames, likee Tera, NW etc..
Clearly you didn't read my post; because I put there that i disliked GW2 PvP, WvW specially.
Personally, I do not like grinding for PvP, although I like to grind for PvE. From y point of view, if you want to compare gear with another player, you can always inspect him.
"The harder the game, the better."
I know; and I am not begging for anything; I am just saying that I do not like it. You guys need to realize that not all the points of view that differ from what currently happens are QQ.
"The harder the game, the better."