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dexkilledudexkilledu Member Posts: 3 Arc User
edited June 2013 in General Discussion (PC)
Is there anything inconvenient that will offset my gameplay?
Is the PvP gibbed by a certain class?
Will PvE be easier with a certain class?

Anything you guys can think would upset me a bit, please let me know. I want to pick a class and stay with it accordingly, I played the start over and over with each class, and so far I am thinking of Priest or Control Wizard. Maybe even Rogue. Anything I should know about them?
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  • airisethairiseth Member Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    All new players should be aware that perfectworld is known for their pay to win strategy. This breakdown shows the proof. It will be IMPOSSIBLE to keep up without spending cash and probably more cash than a normal subscription would cost. Here's a great look at the numbers. http://poisonman.wordpress.com/2013/05/16/neverwinter-pay-to-win/
  • flatfootsamflatfootsam Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Here is a youtube video With a bunch of good tips for newer players. Some good stuff that i wish i knew when i started playing.

    I did not make the video. So, credit to the guy who did !!!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CZUwoPhgsQ
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  • kabothoriginalkabothoriginal Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 465 Bounty Hunter
    edited June 2013
    1. Gear - if you spend the money all gear is available and the enchants for them. Gear rules in pvp
    2. IMHO, the best class for PVP (currently) is GF or GWF, other classes are too squishy or not very effective.
    3. PVE - Depends on what class you play and what you are doing, like Soloing or Dungeon Delves.

    DC's are not what you expect them to be. CW's are not really DPS, most dungeons they are kicking mobs off a ledge. Rogues can be good if played right, in PVP they do good, but hit and run tactics, but PVE rogues are a dime a dozen and you are competing for space in a group, they are still decent for now, but they already been hit with nerf bat hard, and I am almost expecting more nerfage.

    Honestly, if I had to tell people to play something right now, that's strong and in demand, that would be tank specced GF's, followed by GWF's and then tied between rogue and CW's and lastly by DC's.

    This is generalization, as people that are like ninja keyboard commandos, they can just about play anything and make it good. But that's the exception not the rule.
  • sasheriasasheria Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    airiseth wrote: »
    All new players should be aware that perfectworld is known for their pay to win strategy. This breakdown shows the proof. It will be IMPOSSIBLE to keep up without spending cash and probably more cash than a normal subscription would cost. Here's a great look at the numbers. http://poisonman.wordpress.com/2013/05/16/neverwinter-pay-to-win/

    I guess the definition of "Pay 2 Win" has change a lot since I have been playing MMO. Pay2Win usually means that you CANNOT play/progress to end game without paying something.

    One good example would be one of the old Asian MMO (I forgot which) requires you to spend $10 to buy a scroll that allows you to level beyond 20 AND you can't buy that in-game (not via auction house or anything)

    Neverwinter is pay2convenience. You CAN play (per the site you reference) and grind for the stuff you want eventually. Also keep in mind that you can easily grind more via gateway and running mission without ever being in game (granted it is slightly buggy that AD sometimes doesn't reward properly, but it is a random bug and the Devs are looking into it since it is hard to replicate. I personally run 3 mission and sometimes I get it, sometime I don't. That is from the same machine)

    This system is similar to STO (Star Trek Online) and I know some guildmate never paid a single penny for all the $50 ship bundles.

    now for the tips:

    This is VERY Water down D&D 4th edition. Anything that you remember from DDO or any other version of D&D, throw that knowledge out the winder. 4th ed pretty much change the way the game is played (even the rule book is very MMO ish) the reason I say water down because some of the feature in 4th Ed didn't even make it to NW so keep that in mind.
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  • dexkilledudexkilledu Member Posts: 3 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    I do not want to even play anymore.

    I don't think I will.

    Well, back to Warframe for me.
    Hope to see some of you on there.
  • dexkilledudexkilledu Member Posts: 3 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    @sasheria
    You seem like a fanboy.

    To get a simple mount I need 50+ Hours of work? **** that. Pay to convenience only goes so far before it's "Pay to keep up"
  • nullwolf1nullwolf1 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    dexkilledu wrote: »
    I do not want to even play anymore.

    I don't think I will.

    Well, back to Warframe for me.
    Hope to see some of you on there.
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    50+ hours for a mount? LOL. Standard mount costs 5 Gold... Convenience mounts with higher speeds, you can buy with Zen / AD.
  • kabothoriginalkabothoriginal Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 465 Bounty Hunter
    edited June 2013
    dexkilledu wrote: »
    I do not want to even play anymore.

    I don't think I will.

    Well, back to Warframe for me.
    Hope to see some of you on there.

    Had I known, I would have never started. Now I am financially committed and playing with some friends.
    dexkilledu wrote: »
    @sasheria
    You seem like a fanboy.

    To get a simple mount I need 50+ Hours of work? **** that. Pay to convenience only goes so far before it's "Pay to keep up"

    Well a simple mount you can get at level 20 and cost 5 gold, you SHOULD be able to afford that by then, but you will more than likely wont have a ton of gold at that point.

    The problem is whats the point for grinding for gear or anything for that matter? Guarantee any accomplishment you do in game will be over shadowed by people with nothing better to spend their money on or has mommy and daddies credit card.

    There is not one dad gum thing in this game you can actually earn with a sense of accomplishment. Even if you did take time and did the grind and you did get everything in game by grinding for it. If you told someone, they would be like... Oh that's nice.

    If you want to change your color, it cost money, if you want to respec it costs 6 bucks. If you want your armor to have a different look its costly in AD's, if you want better companions, it costs... I think you get the point.
  • bioshrikebioshrike Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 4,729 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    OP, there is a rather bleak view of the game on the forums. Don't let that get you down. I've enjoyed the game immensely without spending a dime of real money. Here are my tips to you, for a fun gaming experience:

    1. Around level 16, you will get a mission to get your first companion. They help PvE gameplay immensely. If you don't want to wait till level 16, you can buy one at the Emporium in Protector's Enclave for 2G each. The Cleric is the most useful overall, followed by the Man at Arms. These companions are 'bind on equip', so you can buy them with a higher level character and mail them to your other ones.

    2. At level 11-12 you should get a mission to learn how to invoke the gods. This is done by pressing ctrl+i while at a campfire or portable altar. The first 3 invocations each day yield the most XP and astral diamonds, while others typically only grant a temporary buff or potion of some sort.

    3. At level 20, you will get a quest to gain your first mount. This is done via 3 tokens you are given. Each token buys you a rental horse, which buffs your speed by 40% and each has about 4-5 hrs of actual ride-time, (doesn't go down if you are on foot or logged off). For 5G, there is a selection of permanent mounts you can buy, and they buff your travel speed by 50%. The mounts you have to pay or trade for grant, IIRC, a 70% buff speed for blue ones, and 110% speed buff for purple ones.

    4. Again, somewhere around level 11 or so, you'll get a quest introducing you to professions. As a new player, I'd suggest picking up leadership as your profession. It has tasks that provide XP, gold, and astral diamonds. You can access these tasks from in-game or via the gateway, (gateway.playneverwinter.com). This is a great way to supplement your gameplay time, as it can help to level you a bit more and provide resources to buy the things you want in-game.

    5. Don't get hung up on enchantments and runes - I typically only use R4 runes and sell the rest for ADs (astral diamonds) via the AH (auction house).

    6. Try out all the classes. I initially built a guardian fighter and cleric - found the playstyle of both a bit slow, and had a lot more fun with my rogue and control wizard. I started a great weapon fighter not too long ago, and it has a faster pace and playstyle than a guardian fighter, while still retaining much of the toughness.

    If you have any other questions, I'll do my best to answer them...
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  • lejdglejdg Member Posts: 79
    edited June 2013
    i dont get why people need to badmouth the game every step of the way.. if you are so disgusted by it, why do you spend your time on it or even the forums? there are flaws, but the game is still fun. i am also waiting for new content to come now, but it was great fun till now... 50+h for a mount... yeah right... i guess some people just really have nothing better to do.
  • sasheriasasheria Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    dexkilledu wrote: »
    @sasheria
    You seem like a fanboy.

    To get a simple mount I need 50+ Hours of work? **** that. Pay to convenience only goes so far before it's "Pay to keep up"

    Not a fanboy, there are many things wrong with this game which I won't get into BUT it bothers me that people keep calling it Pay2Win. I have play pay2win game. It is not as fun as you think where you have to pay money to get to certain level, get certain skills etc etc.

    Now there are some games that the paid version of the equipment (can only obtain via cash) are better than any drops in the dungeon, that is also pay2win. I just hate seeing that term get misused.
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  • kabothoriginalkabothoriginal Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 465 Bounty Hunter
    edited June 2013
    Its not illegal to offer an opinion on the game, whether its good or bad. However, you will get a much better review than "official game reviewers" on game mags or websites from actual players. I haven't played every MMO, but I have played a lot of them for almost 20 years now. That is if you count UO or Diablo or even old MUD's (in which it would be well over 20 years).

    They have degenerately have gotten worse over the years.

    its called play to win simply due to the fact, if you spend like 500 dollars you can get the best item for every slot. Geez you can buy ANCIENT rings off the AH for 5K in AD's.
  • sasheriasasheria Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Its not illegal to offer an opinion on the game, whether its good or bad. However, you will get a much better review than "official game reviewers" on game mags or websites from actual. I haven't played every MMO, but I have played a lot of them for almost 20 years now. That is if you count UO or Diablo or even old MUD's (in which it would be well over 20 years).

    They have degenerately have gotten worse over the years.
    UO!!!! :) now that is a fun game (played the longest being 7 years of it)

    NW does have a good aspect. It is fast pace D&D type game (4th ed is not my fav edition) It is not too bad if you just play the game, but if you want to be on the same "par" with "mr. smith next door" then yea, you have to shell out some cash to be like him, BUT if you play on your own term, you can get everything you need by playing. You can even get ahead if you are lucky. (remember you can get AD by selling stuff you may not use)

    I highly recommend using the gateway and grind out profession. It is not time consuming and it "auto run" while you are away. You are basically a manager and you hire minions to do all the work for you. There is a "small startup" cost for like a couple of copper, but after that, you just pick the right jobs and run with it. I personally have not spend any money on professions.
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  • bracer2bracer2 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 566 Bounty Hunter
    edited June 2013
    The game will be good or bad depending on your expectations. If you have no expectations I imagine you will be pleasantly surprised.
  • sasheriasasheria Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    bracer2 wrote: »
    The game will be good or bad depending on your expectations. If you have no expectations I imagine you will be pleasantly surprised.
    I have to agree. If you don't PvP (or at least competitive PvP) then you are ok. don't think as a D&D game (many people can't seem to understand that old school pre 4th edition is VASTLY different than 4th ed.) This of it as a fantasy game with D&D setting :)
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  • cipher9nemocipher9nemo Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    OP, don't let the forums turn you off of Neverwinter.

    It really depends on what you want out of Neverwinter. If you're here to enjoy the content (both pre-built and user-generated), then you'll probably have fun. Don't need to spend a dime. Plenty to enjoy, you can get Foundry editor access at level 15, free companion at 16, mount at 20, etc. All with regular in-game gold you earn.

    But if you're here to rule the scoreboards in PvP, don't waste your time since it is pay-to-win if you want to compete sooner rather than later. And PvP balance issues along with Gauntlgrym issues, etc.

    Otherwise Neverwinter has a lot to offer. :)
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  • lltsnwnlltsnwn Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 787 Bounty Hunter
    edited June 2013
    dexkilledu wrote: »
    Is there anything inconvenient that will offset my gameplay?
    Is the PvP gibbed by a certain class?
    Will PvE be easier with a certain class?

    Anything you guys can think would upset me a bit, please let me know. I want to pick a class and stay with it accordingly, I played the start over and over with each class, and so far I am thinking of Priest or Control Wizard. Maybe even Rogue. Anything I should know about them?

    Not sure what you would consider inconvenient... /shrug
    PvP is gibbed by an item enchant that is overpowered but at least most classes (not cleric) can enchant it so its balanced in that sense.
    PvE as in solo or group? Solo I did as a GF easy, CW moderate, DC easy. Group is dependent on who is in your group ;)

    GF are pretty bad *** in PvP, PvE solo and group right now. CW is decent as are TR. DC are pretty nerfed up right now but since they are the only healer in game they hold on. GWF seem pretty good place after last patch.
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  • knightfalzknightfalz Member Posts: 1,261 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    dexkilledu wrote: »
    Is there anything inconvenient that will offset my gameplay?
    The only thing of note is that the difficulty of the game starts to scale up around the mid-30s or so, which may take you a bit of time to adjust to.
    Is the PvP gibbed by a certain class?
    I have no idea, PvP isn't my thing.
    Will PvE be easier with a certain class?
    Yes. It will be easiest with the class you play best. It will be the most fun with the class you enjoy most.

    If you're lucky, it will be the same class for both.
    Anything you guys can think would upset me a bit, please let me know. I want to pick a class and stay with it accordingly, I played the start over and over with each class, and so far I am thinking of Priest or Control Wizard. Maybe even Rogue. Anything I should know about them?

    Devoted Cleric is a bit different from the cleric class in many games. Rather than burst healing it takes on a more maintenance role, and protection, along with some buffs and debuffs. One of the classes best abilities was reduced in power recently, so you'll see a lot of complaint about that in the divine caster section of the forums. However, it's not as bad as many DC players claim it to be, as the change was easy enough to adjust to.

    Control Wizard do a lot of AoE damage and a lot of control. They are fairly sought after in the high end levels for groups. Recent changes to the class are supposed to have decreased the damage aspect of the class and increased the control aspect. My CW is still not 60 yet, and has always been built for control over damage, so I can't say if this is so.

    Rogues bring single target damage to the table... a lot of single target damage, and so far as I know, not much else. I don't play one myself, so I can't offer much information about them.

    One thing you probably already know, but just in case, forums for online games are full of whining, negativity, and hyperbole, so take anything complaints you hear with a grain of salt, and some of the positive comments as well. This particular forum seems to be one of the worst game forums I've seen for overblown negativity and complaint, with supporting rationale rarely provided.
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