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wholyhandgrenade
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Okay, I've had it... after quitting two PvP games at the start in a row cause there was no way we could win I went into a third. We had three players against one fighter type. My daily hammer would do zero to next to nothing upon him (he had temporary health) both times I tried it, my other attacks wouldn't even dent him, my team members didn't fair any better. So three against 1, 1 hit upon me would take 3/4ths my health. All our hits upon him wouldn't even get rid of his 5% or so temporary health, though I did see one massive hit upon him that took him down to maybe 95% health before it immediately shot back up. He wasn't taking potions or anything that I could tell. This is the most imbalanced PvP game ever!!!!
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Was it me you were fighting had a few of these recently got out of some 1v3 situations. Although when I am low health as a GF been poping fighters recovery more to full heal. basically 200% life leech can keep a guy up.
Also you failed to list your gear were your teammates friends or were they terribly undergeared. Damage in PvP is extremely high so I have 48% dmg reduction to try and combat it some vs geared players. I think PvP is amazing and well you do have to tweak and build a great toon in end gear to be competitive. Also knowing the other classes CDs and what they are using helps. If you try to do your burst when someone can take no damage cause thy poped there CD. Then it just comes down to not knowing how to fight.
Knowledge is Power!
no, I am not... I completely closed the game after seeing that
don't know if it was you or not, when dailies don't even touch a player's health, its beyond BS... as to 200% life steal, clerics are given all types of life steal upon their equipment and yet all added together it won't give them more than around 7.5% not even close to the 200% you have
lol, you can hit me for 3/4ths of my health bar with non-dailies and you get 200% of that damage back
It's not gear he is talking about. It's a daily ability that GF's get that will heal for ridiculous amounts. If the person tries to face tank me and not dodge/interrupt me on my full encounter combo I can easily heal for 15k as a tank spec'd guardian, then you throw in at wills and it goes even higher. But again, it's a daily ability that requires me to be attacking to benefit from it, which also means i'm not using guard.
As to your far fetched exaggeration of him not losing any health...one of my 60's is a full tank spec'd full T2/ancient geared GF and I can't stop damage against 3 people indefinitely. So please, provide proof or it didn't happen.
Most classes, minus the DC stack armor penetration anyways which negates most of a GF's defense. My GWF can shred a GF to pieces if I get around their guard for example. My brand new T1 TR also has little to no trouble fighting a GF whether equal or better geared simply because I know what the standard GF rotation is so I know when to dodge and when to just eat an ability.
the character we were up against didn't drop below full health that I saw, well maybe to 95% of full health for a split second before it was full again.. and that is with three of us attacking all at the same time and using our dailies
b) Combat Advantage will wreck his block
c) if you use a CC from 2 directions at once one of them is going to hit him.
d) if he raised his sword and tiny shields popped around him.. ignore him for a couple seconds, he basically just went immune to damage from the front.
final question:
where were his teammates while you all 3 focused on 1 guy?
As to why his HP didn't drop much? Watch the blue bar under his red bar.. and quick At-wills will wreck block faster than most specials.
GWF during unstoppable takes little to no damage.
he had a shield so it was a GF, the GF immediately went to the base that was closest to our start area at the beginning of the match to take on most of the team solo while the rest of his team captured their closest base and then took the middle (so lots of time passed)... our attacks were head on, from behind him, and away from him and to his side, and he seemed to try to go after anyone casting area of effect and control spells that slowed him down and held him (we had him in stun and held frequently enough)... I don't know what potion and equipment buffs he had (perhaps they stack really high), nothing we did over extended time dented him (like I said I got off two hammers upon him and I didn't cast the first one right away)... I've never seen anything like that in PvP before, when his team finally arrived it was total onslaught and we quit the match
A GF's guard isn't going to last very long and life steal/regen might hold off 1 person but not 3. Not only that but 3 people should easily be able to CC stun lock him into oblivion.
There's a GWF build that does this and it kills any class and even that build wouldn't be able to handle 3 opponents (unless they were very undergeared). If people are complaining about OP rogues and GFs they haven't seen a GWF like this in action yet
Its a daily though. If you know that I Poped Fighters Recovery then you can CC me till it is over and I can't heal. So its risky but can be used for the right situation. Most of the time I use Villain's menace to be immune to CC and do 20% more damage. You can notice this by a GF slamming his shield to the ground and growing bigger that means get out of the way period.
Still comes down to knowing other skills and what to do to counter them. Cause there really is a counter for just about anything.
On a side note. I been testing Regen and works amazing in most situations in PvP. The longer the fight the less chance you have to win. I think High Generals set is the best set for a GF and undervalued. I regen life much faster then a campfire while in combat. If its a close fight at a base and I kill you by time you get back to me I am back at full life without using health pots so I can hold the base and stay there. Kinda need to remove health pots anyways but that's another thread. So situationally Regen > life steal. Life steal is almost worthless. ATM unless paired with other health regen tactics.
I agree. I've been stacking regen as well and it works great for a GF. I mix Knight Captains and High General 2 pieces to get +850 Armor Pen as well as the regen.
Hmmmm... Ponders your thoughts. I will have to look into that. What knights capt pieces you grab? I do like to think the full set bonus does help my team on a base with crit severity. Also I forget what is your main class? Seen you post a bit.
I mainly do PvP but it's easy to keep a spare other 2 pieces to complete the set when doing PvE and switch back to the double 2-pieces when doing PvP. I'm a GF as well.
The only important piece to get is the High General's Armor because it has the better more important stats than Knight Captain's. I opted with High General's Greaves and got Knight Captain's Helm and Gauntlets, but since all the other pieces have the same stats compared to other pieces in the same set (other than the Armor piece), just go with the ones that cost the least.
I don't run Tenes (sold them off when they got nerfed), so I stack crit and armor pen while keeping a high defense with the Ancient set.
Our build seems very similar. Don't you think the General set benefit team in PvP. ? Also yea I read the Tene post back and forth with you on it. I think they should be fixed even though they were nerfed. Fixed I mean 1 tene per toon. Maybe different procs' then after or damage. I am going all crit/ arm pen as well. I am about to get a gemmed shirt my last piece I need. I did have thoughts of running 1 Tene though. Just for some extra burst but I don't believe in stacking them.
I will check out knight capt. maybe work that in. Thanks for the very good suggestion. I love the defense and regen on High Generals.
Anyone else stop reading after this line? Lol.
In contrast, if a cleric manages to kill you and takes heavy damage you can get back to them before their heals ever begin moving up their health bars much at all.
I play as a cleric, we do that cause we could care less when everything in PvP is unfair to our class and we know how screwed and nerfed our characters are.
OMG. now you are being silly. A good tank cleric take 3 players to focus him to kill him. While that is happening his teammates are eating them alive and its a GG. Clerics were OP before the patch. There still OP and dam tough. Suck it up and learn your class I was being nice at first now you are just crying to much when the class work terrific and is needed in PvP. So just stop.
a good tank cleric, they type you are referring to, has also shelled out a whole lot of real life money and most likely still won't do well at all and you know that if you PvP... the ones that survive are ones always playing in groups with players that don't even need them
Let me try a different approach. What exactly do you want ? Clerics don't need any buffs cause there awesome. Just enlighten me what would make you happy. I am curious.
Also maybe get better gear buy it or farm it. Both are viable options.
So how do we make you happy Mr. Cleric do we just buff you personally. ?
Bad player is just a bad player. Ignore him and maybe he will go back to WoW.