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wholyhandgrenade
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1. there were less holds, and stuns, and perma stealth, and classes played evenly
2. racial bonuses didn't outright suck for most races... if elves were given immunity to all control effects that stun, but not to their damage being an elf would mean something... dwarves in contrast could be given immunity to all knock down stuns and half
3. clerics would be able to assist heal from a further distance and could not be attacked while doing so, would be like casting sanctuary which is something this game doesn't have
4. rogues would not be allowed to be immune to area of effect spells when in stealth mode / invisible / launching special attacks, etc. ... why can't my cleric blow them back when they are in stealth, why does my daily attacks against them get cancelled if they go into stealth after I press to use them... a rogue should become visible after they attack and unable to become invisible / go into stealth as long as they are within a certain distance of any opponent (yes, we know they are there and we have our eyes on them, so how the hell do they vanish especially when those races watching should usually have keen eyesight)
5. leader boards are needed that tracks all wins and losses by every class and every class tree build... those with low win percents need to be boosted so that any class has an equal chance to win against any other class, and any tree line build also has an equal chance of winning against any other tree line build of the same class
It isn't fun to be up against those that deal 5 times and more damage on average than you do. At most damage difference should never even approach a multiple of 2, preferably no more than 1.5. Perma stun, perma invisible, unable to attack or run or cast anything is very unfun. If you are going to stun, let them still normal attack and move, or at least cut down the durations of such effects to a minimum. I think push and blow back effects are fine as they are, they are needed to evade and obtain momentary advantage without disabling anyone from being able to do anything. Once again, disabling players sucks and is as boring as hell. PvP play before level 60 is pretty good, before level 50 even better. This game seems obviously to be created by those in love with classes such as assassins and who believe they should insta kill, always be invisible, should hit the hardest both up close and at a distance, should be godlike disappear and appear at will, and so forth. You need balance, not god like classes and fodder to make them feel good about their godliness.
2. racial bonuses didn't outright suck for most races... if elves were given immunity to all control effects that stun, but not to their damage being an elf would mean something... dwarves in contrast could be given immunity to all knock down stuns and half
3. clerics would be able to assist heal from a further distance and could not be attacked while doing so, would be like casting sanctuary which is something this game doesn't have
4. rogues would not be allowed to be immune to area of effect spells when in stealth mode / invisible / launching special attacks, etc. ... why can't my cleric blow them back when they are in stealth, why does my daily attacks against them get cancelled if they go into stealth after I press to use them... a rogue should become visible after they attack and unable to become invisible / go into stealth as long as they are within a certain distance of any opponent (yes, we know they are there and we have our eyes on them, so how the hell do they vanish especially when those races watching should usually have keen eyesight)
5. leader boards are needed that tracks all wins and losses by every class and every class tree build... those with low win percents need to be boosted so that any class has an equal chance to win against any other class, and any tree line build also has an equal chance of winning against any other tree line build of the same class
It isn't fun to be up against those that deal 5 times and more damage on average than you do. At most damage difference should never even approach a multiple of 2, preferably no more than 1.5. Perma stun, perma invisible, unable to attack or run or cast anything is very unfun. If you are going to stun, let them still normal attack and move, or at least cut down the durations of such effects to a minimum. I think push and blow back effects are fine as they are, they are needed to evade and obtain momentary advantage without disabling anyone from being able to do anything. Once again, disabling players sucks and is as boring as hell. PvP play before level 60 is pretty good, before level 50 even better. This game seems obviously to be created by those in love with classes such as assassins and who believe they should insta kill, always be invisible, should hit the hardest both up close and at a distance, should be godlike disappear and appear at will, and so forth. You need balance, not god like classes and fodder to make them feel good about their godliness.
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Seriously, just reroll another class already instead of making another whine thread. You clearly don't enjoy your Cleric.
until they nerfed it I enjoyed it... I won't be creating another class I had a control wizard up to level 60, if you play the cleric though due to the use of divinity you get really messed up playing the cleric if you play other classes and that is why I deleted my control wizard cause their keys were so very different... a game without balance in PvP is a game that should die out
if PvP is balanced and fun, I don't care if the rest of the game sucks, I'll be playing PvP and enjoying myself, PvP currently is neither balanced or fun and most of the time players leave during level 60 matches and do so cause its so horribly imbalanced
Then you would see......
I would LOVE to see all the tears when they realise they themselves SUCK.
this thread isn't about rogues, that they aren't affected as they should be by my casts as a cleric is disturbing though (just cause you can't be seen doesn't mean you should have immunity to area of effects or can't take damage that was already cast upon you beforehand)
60 GF(14.5GS) Cersei
60 CW(12.4GS) Shadis
60 TR(12.2GS) Dijkstra
60 GWF(12.2GS) Winnowill
45 DC(WIP) Daenerys
gear score is better than nothing, but ideally you want a player rating/ranking system and then separating and pairing teams together as evenly as possible based upon all the player's PvP scores... pre-made teams should be paired against teams with PvP scores evenly as possible matching their own
Cheers
melee+ranged+permastealth
I'm not saying that he is overpowered, just saying that maybe he should have to be closer to it's target + other classes should have detection abilities and hitting a rogue (if you see him or with AoE) should get him out of stealth
it's ok if he can be invisible all the time as long as he gets out of stealth when he attacks and give him a "vanish" skill, so he can: ambush > stun for a few sec > do some damage > vanish with full health, while the target is somewhere around 50% health by that time.. I think they would like that and the other classes would still have a chance to counter attack
not whining, just an idea..
if a character class ranking system shows that classes are winning and losing and scoring about the same as all other classes, then I don't have a problem with what characters get (though hopefully the scores aren't balanced cause everyone simply one hits everyone else. or never is able to defeat anyone)... I want a balanced playing field between all classes and that is lacking and not by a small bit at current
For me, it comes down to playing with people who actually know a few key things about PvP
Like Fight on Point
Its not all about your kill count
Dying is ok esp if you sacrifice to save your point....how many times fighting for point someone low slinks away....jsut die and distract the kicker so we can kill him faster on the darn point:)
Don't run around the map by yourself
Im sure that there is more than this...but when my teams, actually work as a team, rather than individuals, we either win, or come very close, and my DC can carry mostly damage spells-- I usually finish in the top 5 if its a decent team ( which is not just based on kill count for anyone new reading this)...People hate being killed by DC tho they take it as an insult...drives them insane, and for the rest of the match they only come after you:)
Of course I use the que, so now and then the team I get just doesn't gel...but in a way that is fun too, as people take it so seriously.
Now me, I never did like PvP in other games, but it's short and painless here...AND playing PvP has made me a better solo player at boss fights for sure, as I do solo most content. Not to mention, profitable.
Edited to Add : Oh yes, well cleric just sucks in this game....only reason I still play mine is that she has all my gear and fun toys.... I rolled a CW which at least has a 4th encounter slot, and it's just a lot more fun, tho, still limited for a caster.
a fourth encounter slot would really heal a cleric a lot... for heals you need healing word and astral shield so that you can get critical heals and build up divinity while tossing out AS for the group, but having both astral shield and healing word leaves you with not enough to attack with to protect yourself so you either toss healing word or AS or go without enough attacks .... being able to place in the top 5 when only 10 players are in a match and often some leave or are bots isn't really anything to get excited about... I can rank high at times as well even occaisionally taking top position but that doesn't help matters any and clerics still rank at the bottom, though two clerics on a team seem to fair better than any other number of them
srry if my english is bad but you guys get my point... regards from COLOMBIA
I just carry Astral Seal, smart team knows how to work around that, and I've found that if not smart team, it doesn't matter if I used all heal Dailies and encounters.. Some teams I don't even need AS. I actually build divinity and ap quite fast, but I am DPS build and built to do that as much as one can in this game.
I think top 5 for a cleric is good, since many are shocked when the DC isn't the bottom 2 or 3. As a moderate, and new player, I am happy that I get into top 5 if only to say that DC doesn't totally suck at pvp, since that seems to be how people measure things in this game. Sure I have placed 1 and 2, but I don't think those count as they have always been against teams that had no clue what they were doing.
1. Stealth isn't the end-all, be-all in PvP. If you're targetting BEFORE popping it, you can still be seen by the class who attack you.
2. The vast majority of rogues are not "perma-stealth", and those that are, do significantly less damage than those that aren't. You're just lumping 2 or 3 different rogue builds into one, and assuming one rogue can do everything.
3. No, you should not be able to "detect" stealth characters. That's nonsense. Are you planning on giving all the classes a way of completely diminishing the gameplay mechanics of every other class. Give rogues and skill that makes Control Wizards teleport in front of their face. Give Control Wizards an ability that makes Guardian Fighter's armor suddenly have the same qualities as cloth. Give Clerics the ability to turn everyone else into fluffy bunnies.
4. No, they are not going to make stealth drop the second you do an attack. This suggestion just shows complete ignorance of what this class is. All of our skills are centered around doing damage in stealth. If you take that away, half of our feats and powers are useless. Seriously, go look at the rogue feat trees and see how many of them don't require you to be in stealth. At-wills do not drop you out of stealth, and they shouldn't. Period.
5. "ambush > stun for a few sec > do some damage > vanish with full health, while the target is somewhere around 50% health by that time".
What you're describing is not a single target DPS class. It's a control class. We already have one of those.
If all classes are equal, what's the point of having classes?
Clerics are never going to have the same score as a class centered around dealing out damage. But they can heal and boost their team.
A class centered around dealing AoE damage and off-tanking is never going to kill as easily as a class that is single-target DPS. But GWFs excel at group combat and holding points.
A class that has impressive damage, incredible range potential, and strong control abilities is not going to die very often to a class centered around tanking. But GFs can hold entire capture points all by themselves.
The classes are balanced, they just all do different things. And those different things are not rewarded evenly in PvP matches. Clerics are a great asset in PvP, but they will never be top score because capturing points and killing players is what's important.
A rogue can kill you from 100% life in stealth and keep stealth up while running to pots in stealth.
Everything you can counter in one or another way you just have to learn how, so now, go back to game, learn game, maybe gear yourself up trough dungeons/AH, it doesnt matter as long as you give us none whiners a challenge.
Put players together with GS could be a good idea as someone mentioned, it would almost be a fair game (GS could need some work).
Then either;
1. He's not actually a perma-stealth rogue, but a regular execution-build rogue using stealth mechanic as it is intended.
2. He has ridiculous enchantments/gear, which is a problem for all classes and PvP in general.
Besides, in the situation you're describing the rogue is actually getting hit, or he wouldn't need to use health pots. Permanently stealth rogues do not get hit enough to warrant such an action. In fact, the entire reason for the build is to capture points and increase survivability, so they shouldn't be running around period. Once again, you've proven something I've long expected. The people making these threads are ignorant of the class they are complaining about. You're just lumping 2 or 3 separate builds into one, and assuming rogue can do everything at once.
they would be equal in terms of being able to win and lose but they would still do different things and you would have to play each class a bit differently to defeat it which involves skill, having and improving skill makes PvP fun... without equality of wins/losses between classes there isn't challenge, just pummeling (okay if you are the bully type in real life I guess, but not enjoyable if you aren't)
Players would be giving the same gear and require skill over just over-gearing your opponents...
I stopped reading at racials should immune all stuns and/or knockdowns.