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Clarification about Mitigation/Resistance Ignored/Armor Penetration

moonbamoonba Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users Posts: 38
edited June 2013 in PvE Discussion
I'd like to create a participative thread to sort out and finally understand these stats and how they affect overall damage dealt or received.


From what I gathered, mobs in PvE have different mitigation values based on their type.

"Enemies are Level 62 in Tier 1 and level 65 in Tier 2. This does not affect their mitigation.

Bosses 24% mitigation
Brutes 20% or 22% mitigation
Strikers and Leaders 16.2% or 18% mitigation
Minions 14.4% mitigation
Controllers and Ranged Strikers 12.8% or 14% mitigation"
(Source)


First off, for comparison purposes, does anyone know the mitigation value of Dummies ? I think it's 0% but I can't make sure.


Now let's say you're a GWF with Plague Fire enchantment hitting a boss.

The big question is : what exactly is applied to determine your dmg output, and in which order ?



I'll make a list of effects & stats that can affect the dmg output :
  • Plague Fire enchantment (-45% armor full stack)
  • Student of the Sword feat (-45% armor full stack)
  • Armor Penetration rating
  • Constitution ability

The first two are debuffs that affect the target and thus increase the group's overall damage.

I've noticed that Plague Fire and Student of the Sword dps variation is shown in the log by a value + a value in parenthesis. The first one should be the actual damage dealt to the target and the second the damage output before applying Plague Fire or Student of the Sword.



Here are a few questions that could help us make some progress :
  1. Do mobs have Armor Class ? How do they vary if so ?
  2. What's the equivalent defense to the mitigation values above ?
  3. How much mitigation does PF or SotS actually remove from a mob ?
  4. Do they affect mobs differently based on their type or tier (lvl 62 or lvl 65) ?
  5. Do they stack ?
  6. Can the "resistance ignored" from constitution get a boss mitigation value in negative if you, say, have 24% Armor Penetration from your gear ?


I'm sure theorycrafters have solid answers to at least one of these questions, so please contribute so that we may gather info and sort everything out !




EDIT : Updated the list with the answers found.
    N/C
    [*]N/C
    [*]Greater Plague Fire and Student of the Sword(GWF feat) remove 5% mitigation on your target per stack.
    [*]N/C
    [*]N/C
    [*]N/C
    Post edited by moonba on

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    • moonbamoonba Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users Posts: 38
      edited June 2013
      Found an answer to one of these questions by myself :

      How much mitigation does PF or SotW actually remove from a mob ?

      [20:52] Critical Hit! Your Sure Strike deals 3058 (2913) Physical to Target Dummy.

[...]

[20:53] Critical Hit! Your Sure Strike deals 1625 (1477) Physical to Target Dummy.

[...]

[20:53] Critical Hit! Your Sure Strike deals 1746 (1518) Physical to Target Dummy.




      (3058 - 2913) / 2913 = 5%
      (1625 - 1477) / 1477 = 10%
      (1746 - 1518) / 1518 = 15%


      So Student of the Sword removes 5% mitigation per stack, up to 15%.

      I'll assume Greater Plague Fire does the same (and thus the recent "nerf" means the mitigation removed is now 15% max, instead of 45% which was stackable multiple times).



      Is the Armor/Mitigation conversion always 3% for 1% tho ? For now let's assume it is.
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