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37% Crit: Vorpal > PlagueFire? Opinions on PvP, ArP, Pow, etc....

psion6psion6 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 0 Arc User
edited June 2013 in The Militia Barracks
Just wanted to get some thoughts and opinions on this. I stack pretty high crit without around 2k armor pen and run the 38% crit severity (Greater Vorpal) weapon enchantment. When I crit its nice, but I feel like every time I need it to Crit (mostly against TR, other GWF and GF's) its not holding up that well. Of course, this is more due to me not timely critting than the enchantment itself.

Should I rock Plaguefire instead? I guess Im trying to see how much of a performance disparity there is between them, and if I would be wasting money yanking the vorpal out and selling it? Would I still benefit from going more armor penetration and letting my crit rating slide a bit?

I dunno- I get very disheartened about crit timing sometimes, as the frustration of running a build based on them can be iffy against good players. I got handled in a 1v1 fight yesterday with another GWF that stacked Power + Armor Pen (he said 5k & 2.5k respectively) with a greater lightning enchant and only crit once the entire fight while he knocked chunks off with each swing- was kind of disheartening. Im just soooooo disappointed on the returns on Power and that a lot of our itemization favors it as a pretty high stat. Its like I want to go Crit/ArP and love it, but part of me is wondering if there's a more consistent way to go.

I hear 6 Greater Teneb enchantments are nasty in PvP, but at that point, you're either sacrificing Crit or Armor Pen, and a good amount of it if you're using all of your offensive slots on those. Id like to hear some opinions on what folks do to bypass this or make the tough choices as well, etc.

(Edit: This is ONLY for PvP, not PvE)
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  • gctrlgctrl Member Posts: 459 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Get teneb enchants and they will make up for the times that you don't crit.
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  • psion6psion6 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    The problem is what you are giving up to get them- its either a good amount of crit or armor pen.....thoughts?
  • serpentttserpenttt Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 77
    edited June 2013
    psion6 wrote: »
    The problem is what you are giving up to get them- its either a good amount of crit or armor pen.....thoughts?

    What does it matter if you lose those stats if the tene damage hits right through defense? If that is the case, I'm not sure.
  • ayrouxayroux Member Posts: 4,271 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Right now Tene > pretty much anything. With that said, however, I want to know your current gear set up because that can be a big difference. I think there is a place for Vorpal but you do have to stack crit pretty high to make a difference. I would also probably run Timeless (T2) if your going to run that as well..

    If you can afford Greater tene setup you could also afford Rank 8 enchant set up + greater vorpal. If you do that, you can get mix and match pieces where your stats from gear alone will be:

    Arp: 1514
    Pwr: 2889 (doubles from passive)
    Crit: 1664

    You can then stack your 6 offensive enchants with rank 8 crit (+225 each?) for an additional 1350 crit putting you at over 3k crit. Youll have good power (5700+) good crit, (3k+) good arp (1514) and good crit severity (vorpal).

    You wont be super tanky but you will crit often and VERY hard with arp/crit severity...
  • psion6psion6 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    ayroux wrote: »
    Right now Tene > pretty much anything. With that said, however, I want to know your current gear set up because that can be a big difference. I think there is a place for Vorpal but you do have to stack crit pretty high to make a difference.

    You wont be super tanky but you will crit often and VERY hard with arp/crit severity...


    My crit rating is 3700 before my greater TEN setup....I think the main problem is when Im not critting Im not doing enough, so Im working on getting at least 4 now..maybe 5 Greater TENs. I hear 6 is just overkill.

    Armor Pen is sitting around 1,950 and Im wondering if I should go higher with it. my CON ability score is 19, so not sure if thats a worthwhile investment now that the patch is giving the correct ArP benefit to CON. Any thoughts?
  • chudovishyechudovishye Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Have to disagree with the crit theory, personally. I tried stacking my GWF with sick crit, enchants, etc., and there was a noticeable BASE difference. And that's important. When you crit, great, but when you don't, even if you have good survival, it's worthless. I went back to a power focus immediately and luckily had enough AD to do it at the time.
  • psion6psion6 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    I used to have my power sitting around 5k with almost 3k recovery and it really wasnt that impressive. How do you build? Weapon Enchantment, POW/CON ABility score, POW/RECOV/ArP rating, etc.?
  • grifterecgrifterec Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 82
    edited June 2013
    I disagree with Chud, I have a power set, and i ALWAYS default back to my blue crit/Apen set when i want to actually dps
  • chudovishyechudovishye Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Well, maybe it's just how I've built my gal, could be something under the surface I'm not seeing. I just know, from using her, that stacking crit made me worse off, and I don't like that.

    @psion

    I put a bunch of radiants in there for now (currently 10.2 GS), in my Ancient Castle I have Plague Fire (been thinking of some others honestly, but it has good overall stats, not just straight damage) and radiant. I didn't bother with CON in my respec, putting the points in STR and DEX. I don't really worry about recovery, either, with my Unstop going VERY quickly, it's pointless to me. I've had several TRs and CWs recently asking me via PM how in the hell I was surviving their attacks with almost no life left, winning, and then still going for a little while longer. That with my current damage has made my build perfect to me, or almost. When I get some more damage and such via gear, I'll be very happy with it.
  • ayrouxayroux Member Posts: 4,271 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    chudovishye wrote: »
    I've had several TRs and CWs recently asking me via PM how in the hell I was surviving their attacks with almost no life left, winning, and then still going for a little while longer. That with my current damage has made my build perfect to me, or almost. When I get some more damage and such via gear, I'll be very happy with it.

    Soulforge enchant combined with healing daily and "ferocious reaction" I think passive that damages and heals?

    Stacking crit isnt big for GFs since we have horrible base crit and cant easily get +crit severity... Powers cales the best (doubles!) due to the passive tree, ARP is one of the BEST to stack up until around 1500 range (around 23% is the cap) since its a HUGE DPS boost...

    If you dont bother with Con then you obviously arenot using tene enchants which are based on HP which means that in good groups (premade vs premade) you are going to get rolled...

    Str/Dex are good and you want them high, but HP is one of the best with tene enchants for a GF. Also, plageu fire procs tene which is why its so strong.

    If you are going to use vorpal, I would stack ARP to 1500 and crit as high as you can and DO NOT use timeless but rather use off set pieces. You will crit often and crit very hard, but optimization is through stalwarts/tene enchants for now...

    +1 point in str or dex isnt that big honestly, the base stats DO play some damage but your enchants will play an arguably bigger role...

    As a GF you should be at or over 30k HP.
  • belladanbelladan Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 146 Bounty Hunter
    edited June 2013
    I haven't done all the math, but from my guesstimates, approx. 5.5k Power and the same feat selection, a GWF with more Con will start to outperform the other GWFs, after we pass the soft caps in ArP and Crit. I can't scale the difference for Str though. Removing 1 dex for 1 con in theory will start to give you a better max range, and higher min range.

    Given the cap ratings, I would only recommend 1-2 tene enchants currently, in roughshod theory. After that, start stacking your rank9's. (I got stuck playing my main a bit for pvp/delves, so I haven't yet managed to get my alt to 60 yet.)
  • youlike91youlike91 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 3 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Which tier sets do you guys currently use and what would you suggest for defense/utility enchantments.
  • ayrouxayroux Member Posts: 4,271 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    youlike91 wrote: »
    Which tier sets do you guys currently use and what would you suggest for defense/utility enchantments.

    Tier set is irrelevant. The two best sets are Stalwarts and Timeless hands down. Although my personal opinion, I would go with offset pieces befoer timeless.

    For defense - HP all the way.
    Utility - Run speed all the way
    Offense - Tene if possible, otherwise arp and (crit for pvp, power for pve).
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