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Is there still a way to chaincast AS?

mageor0lmageor0l Member Posts: 51
edited June 2013 in The Library
And with chaincast i mean more than 2 or maybe 3.

I ran a dungeon with a cleric a few minutes ago (who apperently knew everything about all classes, because he constantly criticized everyone for not playing their class right).
When i told him i couldn't permacast singularity anymore because the shield is bugged he started telling me i should use tab entangling (no sh*t sherlock?), calling me a terribad because i had no idea how to play my class.

So am i missing something here? With the shield bug it's basically

Singularity
Shield/force/icy (or whatever you like)
Singularity
-> Now the Shield is basically still on cooldown for ~8-10 more sec+ recast time.

You can buy yourself a few sec if you use steal time after the 2nd, but basically you have a timespan of somewhat around 5 sec with most of your powers on cooldown, a freaking lot of aggro and no AP to cast another singularity.
The shield bug totally breaks up the rhythm we used to permacast the AS.

Is there still a way to chaincast using other skills?
If not, how did you change your rotation? Wait something like 7sec between singularity 1 and 2 to get the shield back up (=slowing down the rotation; didn't have great success with this because of all the aggro i have after the first rotation)
Always use 2 CW?
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  • keltinblaze1keltinblaze1 Member Posts: 78
    edited June 2013
    Defense :)
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  • vindicitvindicit Member Posts: 26 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Without the Archmage set not working and the shield cooldown not working combined with AS having a longer cooldown..... tons of **** is broken and you will take lots more damage. Theres not much you can do until Cryptic gets of their asses and fixes all the stuff they broke.
  • copticonecopticone Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    I have your solution. I had this happen to me, quite some times ago, and since I adopted this strategy, it never happened again..... The trick is to NOT group with this Cleric again :P
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  • theisingguytheisingguy Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 78
    edited June 2013
    I have absolutely no problem recasting AS after 1 rotation, that is every 20 seconds or so. it gets faster with more mobs. the way is:

    Ready shield
    AS
    Pop shield as soon as blackhole expands,
    steal time
    Tabbed Entangled force
    icy terrain
    Recast AS
    ready shield

    repeat
  • almostsk8trxalmostsk8trx Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    does icy terrain even give AP? I tried it on the dummies and didn't get any AP.
  • fondlezfondlez Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    does icy terrain even give AP? I tried it on the dummies and didn't get any AP.

    Gives AP if there are Chill stacks already on the mobs or if it is slotted (for some strange reason) into Tab slot. Otherwise, it grants no AP, even if it lands.

    So, if you can spam Icy Terrain or otherwise keep up Chills, e.g. CoI, it can give a decent amount of AP. But occasional ones will get you nowhere.
  • mageor0lmageor0l Member Posts: 51
    edited June 2013
    I have absolutely no problem recasting AS after 1 rotation, that is every 20 seconds or so. it gets faster with more mobs. the way is:

    Ready shield
    AS
    Pop shield as soon as blackhole expands,
    steal time
    Tabbed Entangled force
    icy terrain
    Recast AS
    ready shield

    repeat

    Well if you want to cast 1 singularity every 20 secs, that is perfectly possible with the new (always on) 13 sec cooldown on the shield. But i'm talking about "chaincasting" them (faster than every 20 sec)

    Before the patch arcane mastery shortened the cooldown of the shield, making it something like 4-5 sec and not 13 (or maybe 6-7, didn't really pay attention, but it was alot less; it even did reset the cooldown to zero under certain circumstances)
    You were able to chaincast singularities alot faster than now, because the shield was ready in like half of the time

    I'm asking if there is a way/spellcombination to chaincast it like it could be done with the reduced cooldown shield.
  • theisingguytheisingguy Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 78
    edited June 2013
    well I would be interested to know as well. give you a bump
  • lupita170lupita170 Member Posts: 122 Bounty Hunter
    edited June 2013
    You can still chain cast singularity, you're doing it wrong.
  • mageor0lmageor0l Member Posts: 51
    edited June 2013
    lupita170 wrote: »
    You can still chain cast singularity, you're doing it wrong.

    Now that is a helpfull post here.

    Would you enlighten my inferior mind how to chainchast the singularity AT THE SAME SPEED you could before the patch with the shield having almost double cooldown?

    I'm not talking about "chaincasting" by slowing down the rotation for some seconds for the shield to be back up, making the singularity rotation alot slower.
  • lupita170lupita170 Member Posts: 122 Bounty Hunter
    edited June 2013
    mageor0l wrote: »
    Now that is a helpfull post here.

    Would you enlighten my inferior mind how to chainchast the singularity AT THE SAME SPEED you could before the patch with the shield having almost double cooldown?

    I'm not talking about "chaincasting" by slowing down the rotation for some seconds for the shield to be back up, making the singularity rotation alot slower.

    Entangling Force on tab, which also procs the 4 piece bonus of high vizier, which is the set you should be using after the changes.
  • goplayer7goplayer7 Member Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    lupita170 wrote: »
    Entangling Force on tab, which also procs the 4 piece bonus of high vizier, which is the set you should be using after the changes.

    I look forward to you giving everyone the ~3mil AD so everyone can wear what you say everyone should be wearing.
  • cichardcichard Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    I have absolutely no problem recasting AS after 1 rotation, that is every 20 seconds or so. it gets faster with more mobs. the way is:

    Ready shield
    AS
    Pop shield as soon as blackhole expands,
    steal time
    Tabbed Entangled force
    icy terrain
    Recast AS
    ready shield

    repeat
    this is wrong....

    Ready shield
    AS
    Steal time
    Pop Shield
    icy terrian
    recast shield
    cast AS

    because the mobs are stunned from steal time when getting sucked up into the AS you gen more AP from popping shield.
  • rinethrineth Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 14 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    lupita170 wrote: »
    Entangling Force on tab, which also procs the 4 piece bonus of high vizier, which is the set you should be using after the changes.

    Everyone says this like it's some sort of mind blowing revelation. The people asking this question are all pretty much using Entangling on Tab already. The bottom line is AP gen has been severely hampered by the shield cooldown bug. Combine that with the bugged/flawed AP gen of most other CW skills and no, you can't chain singularities as fast as you used to. With a perfect rotation and enough mobs you can come close, but the shield cooldown is a huge damper.
  • mageor0lmageor0l Member Posts: 51
    edited June 2013
    rineth wrote: »
    Everyone says this like it's some sort of mind blowing revelation. The people asking this question are all pretty much using Entangling on Tab already. The bottom line is AP gen has been severely hampered by the shield cooldown bug. Combine that with the bugged/flawed AP gen of most other CW skills and no, you can't chain singularities as fast as you used to. With a perfect rotation and enough mobs you can come close, but the shield cooldown is a huge damper.

    Thank you for this post.
    Really, thank you. I'm really somewhat tired of guys saying "use tab entangling force". Like this isn't something every CW is doing already.
    So there is no way to achieve the same speed like before the bug in situations where entangling force (combined with other skills, without the shield) doesn't generate enough AP?
  • marvelousjmarvelousj Member Posts: 13 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    fondlez wrote: »
    Gives AP if there are Chill stacks already on the mobs or if it is slotted (for some strange reason) into Tab slot. Otherwise, it grants no AP, even if it lands.

    So, if you can spam Icy Terrain or otherwise keep up Chills, e.g. CoI, it can give a decent amount of AP. But occasional ones will get you nowhere.

    That is totally false. It gives AP as long as you are in combat and makes no difference if you hit a mob or not you will still get AP from it
  • copticonecopticone Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Anyone tried the Gladiator Set at Draco now that it is fixed?
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  • daschladaschla Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 240 Bounty Hunter
    edited June 2013
    goplayer7 wrote: »
    I look forward to you giving everyone the ~3mil AD so everyone can wear what you say everyone should be wearing.

    The thing is.. that set was 10-25k a per piece a couple of weeks ago, when everyone was theorycrafting on it.. Some people did the smart thing and snatched it all up.
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  • copticonecopticone Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    daschla wrote: »
    The thing is.. that set was 10-25k a per piece a couple of weeks ago, when everyone was theorycrafting on it.. Some people did the smart thing and snatched it all up.

    lol yea I got an entire set for about 100k a week before the update. We really should stop putting value on items based on the current Bug list. You should always assume things eventually will be fixed. And with Cryptic, things will get fixed while other things that were working fine will get screwed up.
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