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gdante7111111
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I have been having a lot of rubber banding recently, I want to know what exactly in detail that is. I know it pulls you back, but why is it doing that. Is it my internet, my pc what ? tell me.
P.S I have tried the change channels but that does not work.
P.S I have tried the change channels but that does not work.
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I'd hoped that Cryptic could somehow add in multi regional servers, perhaps some in Oceania just for the sake of PvP and Dungeons, unfortunately with how this game is going to complete ****, that's not likely to ever happen.
Well unless your data travels at the speed of light and that the processing of the data is lightspeed.... there can never be instantaneous data exchange.
For me it usualy happens with my GWF when i use sprint. So imagine u have 2 instances of ure game
instance 1 is server side, this instance is called the "master instance" in this instance everything is acurate and considered the law
instance 2 is client side, this instance is called the "slave" in this instance u are playing and gets regularly updated with the
"master instance"
Now imagine the GWF sprint scenerio, imagine i press sprint and i start running, but somehow a few packages were lost to the master instance concerning "hero X has started to sprint", so basicly u on the "slave" side are sprinting already, however on the "master" side u are not, u started sprinting 2 seconds later on the "master" side, as a result of this u get "rubberbanded" back to the "master side" wich will set u back 2 seconds of sprint time.
If this did not happen u would teleport (desync) all over the place when there are package losses, exualy it is already a desync but because of the coding the master side is detecting it before it gets out of hand and slave vs master are totaly out of sync. Because of this rubberbanding is usualy a sign of good coding i think... aldo like i said i am no expert on this mather.
Obviuesly this would also be effected by ure ping since lattency is the speed at wich packages are send to the master side, the longer the travel time, the more chance of information being out of sync.
I hope this helped explain it a bit (tried my best)
If this doesn't resolve the issue, then like other people already wrote, it may be your internet provider's fault. Either cause you're too far away from the NW servers or your ISP has trouble reaching the NW servers.
Either way, like some people have already suggested, Cryptic could setup more servers worldwide and this would solve the issue, but don't forget the game is still new, it's not even officially launched yet, and it could take months, if not years before they setup new servers!
Just World of Warcraft itself took months to years to setup servers world wide! I remember playing WoW when it first launched in 2004 and we were playing with European players! Oh yes! My guild had people in the UK and France because there was no WoW Europe servers! It was slow for them, and I remember them complaining how running around Ironforge was pretty much impossible to do! Half them couldn't even use the Auction House during North American Peak-Hours cause of the lag and the fact they lived in Europe!
I just googled it, and WoW Europe wasn't released until February 2012!!! It took the rich billion dollar company Blizzard 3 months to setup WoW in Europe! So imagine Cryptic, who makes less money than Blizzard! I think it will take awhile before they manage to get NW servers up and running in Europe!
(most people playing hardcore games use tricks like this to not get spike killed ore rubberband popped)
/netgraph 1 /netgraph 0 to turn it off
Some games demand that your client send all data to the server for confirmation. The server processes this data and says it is a legal action and sends more data back to you at which time your client shows you doing the action. This means that with a ping time of 250ms (ie Australia - USA) it takes half a second once you press the key for anything to happen on your screen. Blah.
EVE online seemed like this to me. Horrid to play as that fraction of a second meant pvp death. You cannot compete with fast (usually closer) connections that do this in under .1sec.
Other games let their clients use the information they have at the instant you press the key to decide if it is a legal action and instantly show it on your screen if it is. Your client will timestamp the data and send it to the server for confirmation. The server checks it was legal at that time and replies as such. This means instant movement on your screen while the data is in transit.
Rubberbanding occurs when you do something that your client says is legal at that time (hence shows you doing it) but the server lags, loses sync with your client and decides that at that instant you COULD NOT make that action. Your client then recieves this denial .5seconds later and is forced to zap you back to the point of your last legal and server syncronized action.
Clear as mud ?
I accept I could be wrong and neither confirm nor deny anyone elses ideas.
It is a flaw in game design. This is usually caused by adding PVP to a game.
What happens is the programmers implemented a "policy" in the software of the game that basically says "the server is always right" in regards to your char location.
So, say you move from the mail guy in town to the bank guy. But because the server is flooded with 10000000000000 people in that area and unable to keep up, your information is dropped (overwhelmed servers can lose internet packets) or discarded (timestamp is too old) or something like this. Your local machine knows you moved from a to b; it drew the graphics locally and sent the locations to the server. But after a while, the server catches up, looks at your situation, sees a disconnect (your computer says you are at the bank, it has you at the mail box). This cannot be, says the server! And because the server is always right, it moves you BACK to the mailbox, your actual correct location, obviously. This produces the sickening rubber band effect.
Its done this way for pvp so the other enemy players all see you in one place at one time; it would be unplayable if you thought you were safely over here and they were stabbing you over there... !!!!
The inverse implementation is also clunky, by the way. When the local computer is always right, you are where you moved to, yes, but after a while you will get very odd behavior such as move to a vendor, try to open it, well you cant--- the server has not yet accepted that you are where you are, and you sit there stuck until it can catch up. So you actually get to MOVE smoothly but you cannot interact with anything. And, again, its unplayable in pvp and even ODD in PVE group efforts (mob is here, you are there, but you think you are hitting it, confusing but playable until difficult content, then it becomes as bad as pvp). This is smoother but generally a worse choice, see?
(the fix between the two also stinks: only allow movement and interactions when the server and client are able to communicate within a small timeframe, basically pausing the game if there is any lag).
A nice fix would be to use the local pc is right policy in town only. But that is probably too much work for the gains.
really?
a game without success (war z) of the hammerpoint has always had server Eu...and cannot Eu server the Cryptic have?
All this server lag + the mass rubber banding will be the downfall of this otherwise quite brilliant MMORPG.