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elrondialelrondial Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 0 Arc User
edited June 2013 in PvE Discussion
Ok so what were you thinking when you decided to stop us being able to remove anyone from pvp, you do realise now pvp is now totally un-playable, pvp is full of bots before the patch we could at least remove these bots and refill before the match started, however now you have totally stopped us from removing anyone including bots. This means I am now forced to leave nearly every single pvp match before start because otherwise there is no point in playing, please for gods sake allow us to remove bots again or at least let us vote kick so we can remove bots. If you do not do something quickly pvp will be ruined totally, I am surprised how composed I have been writing this because I have not even been able to do my daily pvp today due to every single match being either 1 or 2 bots on my team and me having to leave, sorry but I will not play a match with bots I do not see why I should have to, you should be doing something to prevent the bots or allow us to control the kick system so we can remove this. I would be very greatful if you can sort this out asap.
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  • elrondialelrondial Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    come on guys sort this out pvp is really bad now
  • rengetsu08rengetsu08 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 44
    edited June 2013
    they dont care anymore, PWE/Cryptics just want to destroy the game
    Half-Elf Devoted Cleric-Divine Oracle Build, Powers and Feats:V1.0, V2.0
  • elrondialelrondial Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Yeh seems that way rengetsu08
  • elawynelawyn Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    The primary reason for this change was not to deal with bots, but to deal with the morons who, as team leader, would kick their team mates because they had a higher score right at the end so that they could claim all the glory.
  • grotblastagrotblasta Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 16 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Novel mode engage - For the record my words are based off the experience of playing 3 level 60 classes (GWF, CW, & CLERIC). PVP was beyond destroyed/broken before patch and is still just as bad after patch. Yesterday PvP was going great until today, I HAVE NO IDEA WHY, it makes no sense. All of the sudden one shot wonders are back, Encounters and dailies have the same amount of power for most classes STILL. It's literally a no brainer on how to "partially-half-***" balance the PVP, if you can't get your skills right then double everyone's HP for now OR SOMETHING... it goes to show Perfect Worlds lack of resolve when it comes to caring about balance, simply BECAUSE it's such an easy fix, I refuse to believe they don't know any better. Spend 30 minutes writing on a sheet of paper like anyone else can do and implement/TEST balance changes. I have lost complete faith in Perfect World due to this common sense method.
    -
    I said I'd give it a chance in this overhaul patch WITH TOUGH LOVE, but it's done little to nothing and like I said, I would instantly uninstall, but that's unnecessary. I'm going to talk with my friends about it first, then make a decision because this is insane, I do want their opinions first. Don't think I'm just giving up after "a little bit of aggravation" I've spent 100$ on this game due to all the hours it's given me (well deserved). However, Level 60 has proven to me there is no point in leveling any other classes, or continuing at this very moment. I can see since this huge patch was just released, we obviously can't expect any major patches to fix all of these issues for another few weeks. Some of us can't just play an MMO for PVE, both is just as crucial. Well PVE is half way "okay" and PVP is just... no words explain how bad it is sorry.
    -
    Great Weapons Fighter - Can NOW heal to full HP from 10-15% HP by popping their Action point ability, don't ask me how, but 3 GWF's have done this to me in a row today (Excluding the 100's before patch). All they have to do is press Q-E-R and kill anything in a matter of 3 stun lock moves (3 seconds) with a near 50% to crit ratio (that's just at 9k GS), it's impossible to avoid against anyone who knows how to use a GWF.. not hard, it's brainless maneuvers. Note - It was fun getting on my GWF and choo choo training through 5 people like they are garbage.
    -
    CW's - Can still do 75% HP in one daily move (ICE KNIFE), they can now do about half HP with 2 Ray's of Enfeeblement's alone (I certainly can with 8900 GS). On my CW I have no problem killing every class, BUT THE guardian and warrior before my "choke hold" is over with. How is that balanced? It's not, we need a nerf.
    -
    Guardians - Still do Half hp in 1 to 2 encounters, excluding dailies. ITS A TANK, REALLY?. THEY ARE MEANT TO TAKE DAMAGE/BUY TIME IN PVP FOR FLAG CAPTURES, NOT DEAL ROGUE DPS!!!
    -
    Trickster Rogues - Deft Strike is equivalent in damage to all of the other classes Daily's. Rogues Daily equals to their Deft Strike, it goes without saying in 2 moves it's over if they crit... and rogues have a near 50+% crit with very little ease and a rather lower Gear Score. Regardless it shouldn't be that way at all, I can careless about how much it takes to be at that Crit rating, no excuse. I mean how many MMO's do we need as a reference before people understand how to balance PVP to the majority of others liking?. This isn't Battlefield 3, or COD where you shoot someone's toes twice and they die.
    -
    Clerics - 1 shot Hammer of Justice. Guys... it's a Cleric. I'm not even going to explain this one.
    -
    I understand this is OPEN BETA, but there is no excuse this time. PVP/Content Overhaul patch, and it didn't do anything literally, but cosmetic's; server stability improvements which is awesome; and some PVE "content". I'm not impressed at all. I was all excited yesterday because PVP was going rather well like I said, then I get on today and every game I zone into is destroyed by 1 shot 2 shot 3 move wonders. I'm personally done. I may level my other ALT with my friends to 60 and then call it if nothing is fixed in the next week or two.
    -
    As I have been playing MMO's for the past 10 years of my life I'm starting to lose complete interests... developers can't seem to balance a single class anymore! I can literally spend 20 minutes at my desk writing on paper much better balance changes and even better with my friends. Clearly something is wrong with these companies. They also don't understand you can't just GIVE every class EASY epics like this game has... You have to have a BUILD UP, that means GREEN, BLUE, THEN END GAME IS EPIC. There has to be a gap in gathering these rare items (go to dungeons and get the best blues/greens possible, then do harder dungeons) other wise why do you HAVE them in the game? ALL that matters to people now is hitting 60 so they can equip FULL epic thanks to NOTHING being BOP it's all BOE. You can buy everything off the Auction House, and PVP vendor's for your character at the moment you hit 60. I have all 3 60's almost full epic the moment they hit 60 (9kish gear rating instantly) how boring is that? It makes ZERO SENSE. For that reason I can't justify paying anymore for this game, nor playing it. Again, MMO's are not meant to be played like an FPS.. "COD, or BF3" You get hit twice and you're down. First see first kill.

    BOTS... mmm yes Bots are awesome, keep in mind I'm leaving out several other issues. I'm tired of typing. Thanks for listening guys. Over and out.
  • wholyhandgrenadewholyhandgrenade Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    elrondial wrote: »
    come on guys sort this out pvp is really bad now

    PvP is worse than it ever was. It even takes quite a bit of time now just to get into a match.
  • elrondialelrondial Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    yes agreed on all points here to be honest really lost the love for pvp now I used to enjoy it but to many bots and stupidness in the matches now, think ill just stick to pve till they actually sort something out.
  • edge1986edge1986 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 647 Bounty Hunter
    edited June 2013
    grotblasta wrote: »
    Novel mode engage - For the record my words are based off the experience of playing 3 level 60 classes (GWF, CW, & CLERIC). PVP was beyond destroyed/broken before patch and is still just as bad after patch. Yesterday PvP was going great until today, I HAVE NO IDEA WHY, it makes no sense. All of the sudden one shot wonders are back, Encounters and dailies have the same amount of power for most classes STILL. It's literally a no brainer on how to "partially-half-***" balance the PVP, if you can't get your skills right then double everyone's HP for now OR SOMETHING... it goes to show Perfect Worlds lack of resolve when it comes to caring about balance, simply BECAUSE it's such an easy fix, I refuse to believe they don't know any better. Spend 30 minutes writing on a sheet of paper like anyone else can do and implement/TEST balance changes. I have lost complete faith in Perfect World due to this common sense method.
    -
    I said I'd give it a chance in this overhaul patch WITH TOUGH LOVE, but it's done little to nothing and like I said, I would instantly uninstall, but that's unnecessary. I'm going to talk with my friends about it first, then make a decision because this is insane, I do want their opinions first. Don't think I'm just giving up after "a little bit of aggravation" I've spent 100$ on this game due to all the hours it's given me (well deserved). However, Level 60 has proven to me there is no point in leveling any other classes, or continuing at this very moment. I can see since this huge patch was just released, we obviously can't expect any major patches to fix all of these issues for another few weeks. Some of us can't just play an MMO for PVE, both is just as crucial. Well PVE is half way "okay" and PVP is just... no words explain how bad it is sorry.
    -
    Great Weapons Fighter - Can NOW heal to full HP from 10-15% HP by popping their Action point ability, don't ask me how, but 3 GWF's have done this to me in a row today (Excluding the 100's before patch). All they have to do is press Q-E-R and kill anything in a matter of 3 stun lock moves (3 seconds) with a near 50% to crit ratio (that's just at 9k GS), it's impossible to avoid against anyone who knows how to use a GWF.. not hard, it's brainless maneuvers. Note - It was fun getting on my GWF and choo choo training through 5 people like they are garbage.
    -
    CW's - Can still do 75% HP in one daily move (ICE KNIFE), they can now do about half HP with 2 Ray's of Enfeeblement's alone (I certainly can with 8900 GS). On my CW I have no problem killing every class, BUT THE guardian and warrior before my "choke hold" is over with. How is that balanced? It's not, we need a nerf.
    -
    Guardians - Still do Half hp in 1 to 2 encounters, excluding dailies. ITS A TANK, REALLY?. THEY ARE MEANT TO TAKE DAMAGE/BUY TIME IN PVP FOR FLAG CAPTURES, NOT DEAL ROGUE DPS!!!
    -
    Trickster Rogues - Deft Strike is equivalent in damage to all of the other classes Daily's. Rogues Daily equals to their Deft Strike, it goes without saying in 2 moves it's over if they crit... and rogues have a near 50+% crit with very little ease and a rather lower Gear Score. Regardless it shouldn't be that way at all, I can careless about how much it takes to be at that Crit rating, no excuse. I mean how many MMO's do we need as a reference before people understand how to balance PVP to the majority of others liking?. This isn't Battlefield 3, or COD where you shoot someone's toes twice and they die.
    -
    Clerics - 1 shot Hammer of Justice. Guys... it's a Cleric. I'm not even going to explain this one.
    -
    I understand this is OPEN BETA, but there is no excuse this time. PVP/Content Overhaul patch, and it didn't do anything literally, but cosmetic's; server stability improvements which is awesome; and some PVE "content". I'm not impressed at all. I was all excited yesterday because PVP was going rather well like I said, then I get on today and every game I zone into is destroyed by 1 shot 2 shot 3 move wonders. I'm personally done. I may level my other ALT with my friends to 60 and then call it if nothing is fixed in the next week or two.
    -
    As I have been playing MMO's for the past 10 years of my life I'm starting to lose complete interests... developers can't seem to balance a single class anymore! I can literally spend 20 minutes at my desk writing on paper much better balance changes and even better with my friends. Clearly something is wrong with these companies. They also don't understand you can't just GIVE every class EASY epics like this game has... You have to have a BUILD UP, that means GREEN, BLUE, THEN END GAME IS EPIC. There has to be a gap in gathering these rare items (go to dungeons and get the best blues/greens possible, then do harder dungeons) other wise why do you HAVE them in the game? ALL that matters to people now is hitting 60 so they can equip FULL epic thanks to NOTHING being BOP it's all BOE. You can buy everything off the Auction House, and PVP vendor's for your character at the moment you hit 60. I have all 3 60's almost full epic the moment they hit 60 (9kish gear rating instantly) how boring is that? It makes ZERO SENSE. For that reason I can't justify paying anymore for this game, nor playing it. Again, MMO's are not meant to be played like an FPS.. "COD, or BF3" You get hit twice and you're down. First see first kill.

    BOTS... mmm yes Bots are awesome, keep in mind I'm leaving out several other issues. I'm tired of typing. Thanks for listening guys. Over and out.

    Posting this everywhere? Reported for spam
  • wholyhandgrenadewholyhandgrenade Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    elawyn wrote: »
    The primary reason for this change was not to deal with bots, but to deal with the morons who, as team leader, would kick their team mates because they had a higher score right at the end so that they could claim all the glory.

    the fix of that would have been to disallow booting of players after the match begins, and to allow the non-leaders to majority kick the leader, and to allow players to easily report them
  • norsemanxnorsemanx Member Posts: 124 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    I haven't even gotten to 60 yet. I've been taking my time in this game hoping some good fixes would come along for PvP since that's what I'm mainly interested in. Sounds like I should keep dragging my feet. Honestly why are all these games having so much trouble with this?
  • abombination247abombination247 Member Posts: 1,279 Bounty Hunter
    edited June 2013
    I have always like the PvP in this game. It's fun once you turn lvl 10. I like the brackets and its enjoyable to lvl in PvP and have fun. Sure there are bots etc. that are issues. This patch though just made PvP better. Honestly I read like 4 lines of your QQ. PvP is way better off now. Parties aren't bugged and the best thing of all I don't have to worry about getting kicked from the game. I mean I got kicked from so many games being the leader about to get the win with 980 points :( So frustrating that ppl want to do that to be lame and get blue loot. PvP only has more room for improvement but at least I can get into full games now and guess what if feel like it yes I can leave and get into a real game that has PvP. Just enjoy it.
  • selonwselonw Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 258
    edited June 2013
    You really think a F2P company prioritize player happines? Their meetings more likely consist of ideas for the item shop. Ive yet to see a F2P company with 1/30 of the customer relations and support of the P2P games
  • ploplopfizploplopfiz Member Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    seriously ...we need to be able to kick the bots..(add some type of tracking statistics..)..if x is kicked from pvp too many times..don't let them back into pvp..
  • ganjaman1ganjaman1 Member Posts: 792 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    elawyn wrote: »
    The primary reason for this change was not to deal with bots, but to deal with the morons who, as team leader, would kick their team mates because they had a higher score right at the end so that they could claim all the glory.

    Pretty much this ^
  • drnaturalkillerdrnaturalkiller Member Posts: 2 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    i agree with you .In NW ,there's no goal except upgrading gs and go harder dungeons .. PvP is dead . Absence of 1v1 is killing the game . Glory points are useless . No rankings . No balance . I am just uninstalling ... Bye Bye ..
  • drnaturalkillerdrnaturalkiller Member Posts: 2 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    grotblasta wrote: »
    Novel mode engage - For the record my words are based off the experience of playing 3 level 60 classes (GWF, CW, & CLERIC). PVP was beyond destroyed/broken before patch and is still just as bad after patch. Yesterday PvP was going great until today, I HAVE NO IDEA WHY, it makes no sense. All of the sudden one shot wonders are back, Encounters and dailies have the same amount of power for most classes STILL. It's literally a no brainer on how to "partially-half-***" balance the PVP, if you can't get your skills right then double everyone's HP for now OR SOMETHING... it goes to show Perfect Worlds lack of resolve when it comes to caring about balance, simply BECAUSE it's such an easy fix, I refuse to believe they don't know any better. Spend 30 minutes writing on a sheet of paper like anyone else can do and implement/TEST balance changes. I have lost complete faith in Perfect World due to this common sense method.
    -
    I said I'd give it a chance in this overhaul patch WITH TOUGH LOVE, but it's done little to nothing and like I said, I would instantly uninstall, but that's unnecessary. I'm going to talk with my friends about it first, then make a decision because this is insane, I do want their opinions first. Don't think I'm just giving up after "a little bit of aggravation" I've spent 100$ on this game due to all the hours it's given me (well deserved). However, Level 60 has proven to me there is no point in leveling any other classes, or continuing at this very moment. I can see since this huge patch was just released, we obviously can't expect any major patches to fix all of these issues for another few weeks. Some of us can't just play an MMO for PVE, both is just as crucial. Well PVE is half way "okay" and PVP is just... no words explain how bad it is sorry.
    -
    Great Weapons Fighter - Can NOW heal to full HP from 10-15% HP by popping their Action point ability, don't ask me how, but 3 GWF's have done this to me in a row today (Excluding the 100's before patch). All they have to do is press Q-E-R and kill anything in a matter of 3 stun lock moves (3 seconds) with a near 50% to crit ratio (that's just at 9k GS), it's impossible to avoid against anyone who knows how to use a GWF.. not hard, it's brainless maneuvers. Note - It was fun getting on my GWF and choo choo training through 5 people like they are garbage.
    -
    CW's - Can still do 75% HP in one daily move (ICE KNIFE), they can now do about half HP with 2 Ray's of Enfeeblement's alone (I certainly can with 8900 GS). On my CW I have no problem killing every class, BUT THE guardian and warrior before my "choke hold" is over with. How is that balanced? It's not, we need a nerf.
    -
    Guardians - Still do Half hp in 1 to 2 encounters, excluding dailies. ITS A TANK, REALLY?. THEY ARE MEANT TO TAKE DAMAGE/BUY TIME IN PVP FOR FLAG CAPTURES, NOT DEAL ROGUE DPS!!!
    -
    Trickster Rogues - Deft Strike is equivalent in damage to all of the other classes Daily's. Rogues Daily equals to their Deft Strike, it goes without saying in 2 moves it's over if they crit... and rogues have a near 50+% crit with very little ease and a rather lower Gear Score. Regardless it shouldn't be that way at all, I can careless about how much it takes to be at that Crit rating, no excuse. I mean how many MMO's do we need as a reference before people understand how to balance PVP to the majority of others liking?. This isn't Battlefield 3, or COD where you shoot someone's toes twice and they die.
    -
    Clerics - 1 shot Hammer of Justice. Guys... it's a Cleric. I'm not even going to explain this one.
    -
    I understand this is OPEN BETA, but there is no excuse this time. PVP/Content Overhaul patch, and it didn't do anything literally, but cosmetic's; server stability improvements which is awesome; and some PVE "content". I'm not impressed at all. I was all excited yesterday because PVP was going rather well like I said, then I get on today and every game I zone into is destroyed by 1 shot 2 shot 3 move wonders. I'm personally done. I may level my other ALT with my friends to 60 and then call it if nothing is fixed in the next week or two.
    -
    As I have been playing MMO's for the past 10 years of my life I'm starting to lose complete interests... developers can't seem to balance a single class anymore! I can literally spend 20 minutes at my desk writing on paper much better balance changes and even better with my friends. Clearly something is wrong with these companies. They also don't understand you can't just GIVE every class EASY epics like this game has... You have to have a BUILD UP, that means GREEN, BLUE, THEN END GAME IS EPIC. There has to be a gap in gathering these rare items (go to dungeons and get the best blues/greens possible, then do harder dungeons) other wise why do you HAVE them in the game? ALL that matters to people now is hitting 60 so they can equip FULL epic thanks to NOTHING being BOP it's all BOE. You can buy everything off the Auction House, and PVP vendor's for your character at the moment you hit 60. I have all 3 60's almost full epic the moment they hit 60 (9kish gear rating instantly) how boring is that? It makes ZERO SENSE. For that reason I can't justify paying anymore for this game, nor playing it. Again, MMO's are not meant to be played like an FPS.. "COD, or BF3" You get hit twice and you're down. First see first kill.

    BOTS... mmm yes Bots are awesome, keep in mind I'm leaving out several other issues. I'm tired of typing. Thanks for listening guys. Over and out.
    i agree with you .In NW ,there's no goal except upgrading gs and go harder dungeons .. PvP is dead . Absence of 1v1 is killing the game . Glory points are useless . No rankings . No balance . I am just uninstalling ... Bye Bye ..
  • abombination247abombination247 Member Posts: 1,279 Bounty Hunter
    edited June 2013
    elrondial wrote: »
    Ok so what were you thinking when you decided to stop us being able to remove anyone from pvp, you do realise now pvp is now totally un-playable, pvp is full of bots before the patch we could at least remove these bots and refill before the match started, however now you have totally stopped us from removing anyone including bots. This means I am now forced to leave nearly every single pvp match before start because otherwise there is no point in playing, please for gods sake allow us to remove bots again or at least let us vote kick so we can remove bots. If you do not do something quickly pvp will be ruined totally, I am surprised how composed I have been writing this because I have not even been able to do my daily pvp today due to every single match being either 1 or 2 bots on my team and me having to leave, sorry but I will not play a match with bots I do not see why I should have to, you should be doing something to prevent the bots or allow us to control the kick system so we can remove this. I would be very greatful if you can sort this out asap.

    You just aren't very smart and probably im just guessing not very good at PvP. Here is why. If you were good at PvP before the patch leading in points and kills about to claim your blue item and a win. Once your team reaches 980 pts. You get kicked. So the 2nd guy that is leader can collect on the blue item instead of you. So no reward, no daily and time wasted if you were doing your daily this is very, very, very ,very frustrating when it happens 3 to 4 times a day with everything else that was going on.

    Now after the patch PvP is so much better its amazing the difference. Bots will always be in PvP in every MMO. Accept it. Who cares. Just worry about what you can do better and what you can bring to the fight instead of wanting to have a lame kick feature that should of never existed to begin with. No 1 person should be able to kick player from a team cause they look at them the wrong way.

    I now get several blue items a day that I can sell as my reward for leading my team to victory. Now more kicking me to take my loot!!


    Not only that the Ques were fixed!! No more town bug. So there is no reason to need a kick feature period. This is a simple pick your battle learn to play advice. Take it with a grain of salt.
  • abombination247abombination247 Member Posts: 1,279 Bounty Hunter
    edited June 2013
    P.S. why can't you do your daily if there are bots there? I had to leave ? yea stopped reading what you had to say somewhere in there. Get composed and get better and you will do fine.
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