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PW Patch - melee domination in PvP
errantvolley
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I haven't had much chance to test the balance changes in PvE. The changes in PvP are profound. The nerf to TR has made little difference to my playstyle. I'm still topping the boards with kills and feel pretty good 1v1 and 1v2 on most players. The stealth dagger build still works and that really needs to be changed.
What I have noticed, however, is melees completely dominate now. GWF damage has put them on the other side of 1v1 hill. They now cream their enemies before dying. GFs are doing very well now too.
CWs and DCs are making much less impact on their team. I have a 60 CW and I think a big part of this is the nerf to RoE. Most 1v1 fights end in a loss now and in group battles my CW feels ineffectual.
In the 20 or so PvP matches I have played since the patch went live GWFs are now routinely breaking 20+ kills and a few 30+ kills. TRs and GFs are up there. CWs and DCs are always at the bottom of the list.
The MMO nerf/buff cycle happens in every game it seems. Right now in PW Neverwinter range and magic are out and melee takes all. Luckily I have a geared TR and a GWF near to 60.
I'm curious if you guys are feeling the same as I am. Honestly the classes were closer before the patch.
What I have noticed, however, is melees completely dominate now. GWF damage has put them on the other side of 1v1 hill. They now cream their enemies before dying. GFs are doing very well now too.
CWs and DCs are making much less impact on their team. I have a 60 CW and I think a big part of this is the nerf to RoE. Most 1v1 fights end in a loss now and in group battles my CW feels ineffectual.
In the 20 or so PvP matches I have played since the patch went live GWFs are now routinely breaking 20+ kills and a few 30+ kills. TRs and GFs are up there. CWs and DCs are always at the bottom of the list.
The MMO nerf/buff cycle happens in every game it seems. Right now in PW Neverwinter range and magic are out and melee takes all. Luckily I have a geared TR and a GWF near to 60.
I'm curious if you guys are feeling the same as I am. Honestly the classes were closer before the patch.
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Healing went down with about 25%, Damage overall went down by about 10% except for one skill. I'm a lot squishier too. Yeah. Good work on the patch. Fix ASAP !
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I don't know what games you're playing, but GWFs are doing great. You just don't seem very good, in my opinion.
Nerfing AS and fixing aggro was the winning combo to make PvE easier. But PvP? Not so much. Players aren't mobs and i can't force them to ignore me. Instead they will keep focusing me and will get their kill as soon as my main heal is on CD and down. Sad. PvP is my favourite part of the game, but i guess i'm now forced to create a new char (anything but a cleric) to enjoy it. I don't mind not being able to control my character for extensive period of time, since PvP is all about stuns in this game, but i don't like not being useful and not being able to do anything because i can't survive long enough to do something for my team between two stuns.
Before the patch, pvp as a cleric was something like engage, stunned, stunned, stunned, heal, stunned, stunned, stunned, heal, or sometimes die, now it's just engage, stunned and die, unless your foes really suck hard at pvp and don't even know they can negate most or all of your efforts
Clouds of Steel, Bait and Switch, Shadow Strike, then I like Impact shot in there as well. Basically you stay stealthed as often as possible and kill from a range, with enchants its massively OP. I would rather see the defensive enchants buffed and bit and the offensive enchants toned down 15-25%.
Yes...Astral Shield was whacked before with the stacking and all. But now...honestly after trying 6-7 matches today after the patch Im not sure how much I will do it past maybe the daily. I just feel completely useless now. As the other DC said above..now it seems like I can throw AS down..maybe do Sun Burst for a bit more heal...then after AS drops...die to Rogue or Wizard in 3 seconds.
I have about 24k health. Might as well be 5k the way it seems. Not sure what the fix is...but Ive never played a healer in PvP on a MMO that feels as helpless as we are right now. On top of that we get screwed on glory as well now as healers get no credit for heals...everyone else gets top of the boards for spot hopping and kills.
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CW still have the ability to dodge 4 attacks with ease, meaning no matter what you throw at them they can dodge it. They can also still keep you at bay if they''re a good CW.
The reason clerics seem so bad right now is because CW and DC are so used to being OP and being on easy mode that they are just getting destroyed. Honestly I still feel OP with my CW, though without good timing for dodges and a good rotation to stay alive, I guess I wouldn't feel so powerful.
Interesting, that explains what I've seen done to me a few times.
Are cleric meant to be a war machine that kill everything or a supporter role for the other class? Pls get your head right.
4 dodges? Ok. GWF is immune to CC good luck "keeping them off you" lol
they should be meant to win during long fights that they can draw out and slowly heal through... there heals suck and defense is a joke .... if they ever come out with a paladin, then that is a class that should kick and buff all around them but heal less effectively
50% of the time dodge animation goes off and character doesnt move an inch, stunlock, dead
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TR
Stealth (including the big no-no of combat stealth)
Damage - the highest sustained and burst
Control - significant ability to disable
CC Immune - impossible to catch
GWF
Damage - much higher than before
CC - can keep a singly opponent mostly stun locked
CC-Immune
Healing - effective self healing phantom hitpoint skill
Other -
GF
CC immune
CC can stun lock (with high damage - stupidly broken needs triple the CD)
Damage - able to three shot many classes while keeping them stun locked
Other - best damage mitigation
CW
CC - good amount of CC
Damage - RoE nerfed to uselessness and 20m damage boost gone
Other - easiest to kill class because no damage mitigation or healing
Cleric
Heal
Damage - a daily that can one-shot (thats about it)
CC - some ability to control
4 dodges are much better than 2 or 3 dodges in a 1 vs 1 match but 1 more dodge is not as big an advantage in a 5 vs 5 battle. Imagine 2 warriors keep knocking your CW around or 1 warrior knocks him down and a CW keeps chill freezing him... Their is not much chance.
Since CW is no longer the dps they used to be now maybe they should get their anti-cc and defense beefed up a little, say :shield" should give them cc-resistant and better defense?
I now have a GS of 11.2k and I can't survive against, TR, GF or GWF. The only classes I have a chance against are a CW or another cleric.
My CC is useless against GF or GWF and many times against a TR. I get stun-locked and two or three shotted.
once I'm down to 10-15% health I don't even bother. My heals won't get me up nearly fast enough, even with Astral shield and Forgemasters Flame ticking.
The only time I'm able to stay alive in a group fight is:
a. the other team is distracted and hasn't noticed me yet
b. I have Hallowed Ground (feated to heal) and Astral Shield ticking. As soon as those go down I'm dead.
I've adapted by being mounted (on my horse not by another freakin' GF :eek:) and just running to cap points in order to keep pressure of my team mates. I just run to a point, keep a lookout for enemy players and high tail it as soon as they start coming. It's effective but hardly how I imagined I'd be playing a cleric in PvP