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Looks like we are stuck with sentinel once patch goes live?
aierrs
Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 60
Looking at all the comments and preview players. Sentinel seems to be the only viable party player now?
Will a destroyer gwf be able to fill in a semi dps offtank hybrid and survive?
Edit: For Clarification.
The set up for dungeon now with Cleric's AS being nerf badly. It feels like we, the gwf, have to take all the adds and tank them for the cleric.
Thus our class seems to have been pigeon hole into an offtank role for adds, I am not against it, but I am curious as to whether is that the only route?
Did anyone in the PTR server tried in high end dungeon like CN where the adds hit like a truck, can a destroyer spec still do that "off tank kill adds aoe" role or are we really being force into being sentinel as destroyer do not have enough AC/ temporary HP and etc?
I can foresee zone chat screaming for "1 tank GWF/ 2 CW/ 1TR/ 1DC" for last boss or even worst... "1 GF/ 2 CW/ 1TR/ 1DC"...
Will a destroyer gwf be able to fill in a semi dps offtank hybrid and survive?
Edit: For Clarification.
The set up for dungeon now with Cleric's AS being nerf badly. It feels like we, the gwf, have to take all the adds and tank them for the cleric.
Thus our class seems to have been pigeon hole into an offtank role for adds, I am not against it, but I am curious as to whether is that the only route?
Did anyone in the PTR server tried in high end dungeon like CN where the adds hit like a truck, can a destroyer spec still do that "off tank kill adds aoe" role or are we really being force into being sentinel as destroyer do not have enough AC/ temporary HP and etc?
I can foresee zone chat screaming for "1 tank GWF/ 2 CW/ 1TR/ 1DC" for last boss or even worst... "1 GF/ 2 CW/ 1TR/ 1DC"...
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Right now I just think a lot of us are excited to have a viable sentinel spec, seriously a big 2h wielding tank yelling come and F'ing get it, while laughing off their puny blows... what's not to love?
The way it appears to be is:
Instigator - AoE dps.
Destroyer - single target dps.
Sentinel - (off)tank.
The roles a bit blurry as you can do aoe dps in pretty much any spec, which may be the source of confusion, but I suggest to wait and see. One thing I'd like to note is that if you take cooldown reduction in Destroyer, Takedown with buffs will outdps Flourish.
well... I do not hope that sentinel tree is the only viable one but rather what role GWF will potentially play in Dungeon moving forward.
personally I tend towards a Destroyer with focus on power/arpen/crit/ rec and I do hate to re-gear myself if such a spec become irrelevant for groups in the future.
Seze - Rogue - Necropolis -
Nothing has been confirmed yet... just that it's going to be a ranger.
Seze - Rogue - Necropolis -
I was actually hoping the sentinel tree can take over the role of gf in the new meta.
Rangers have been ranged damage dealers, usually in the form of an archer of some sort.
Officially no word about there being a Ranger was said, except for that we will have "ranged" class (which could as well apply to a Warlock, but dubious). Unofficially the class names were datamined - Scourge Warlock and Archer Ranger - and on the end of the trailer video of GWF you can see a warlock charging a fire spell and a ranger with a bow.
In D&D they also dual wield.... so we'll jsut have to wait and see
Seze - Rogue - Necropolis -
Raging all over the threads about how useless we might be is useless. As far as I know in my experience, I can get overall dmg close to a TR, and definetely more than a CW, no matter the edge pushing. With buffs one the way, dmg will be better. Sentinel adds 1 more role to us, no matter if you dont like it (i wouldnt prefer to but i will do it if thats the most efficient for the group).
Now about takedown vs Flourish. Even if takedown will bring more overall dps, ti depends on your spec.In my experience Instigator is propably better with Roar / Not So Fast / IBS and Destroyer is better with Roar / Ibs and 3rd not that of a major impact
Roar is the obvious choice as of multiple targets. On big pulls you can get almost full determination bar and 50% action points in a single use. It has better cd than darting Shout/Battle Fury/Come and get it. more determination/action points, and does a moderate ammount of dmg that is great for multiple targets.
IBS is a standar choice single target or AoE for both specs
Not So Fast is the to go option for Instigator / Sentinel ,and not so bad choice for Destroyer either (but not over Roar)
Flourish is great for singletarget (if given boss duty), and is overall better pick over takedown, mostly because of the utility of its multiple hits. Even if Takedown can give overall dmg on a parse, Flourish can give you fast stacks on SotS / PlagueFire
So to sum it up
Instigator single target (lol) Flourish / Not So Fast / IBS
Instigator AoE : Roar / Not So Fast / IBS
Destroyer AoE : Not So Fast / Roar / IBS
Destroyer single target Flourish / Restoring strike / IBS
I found these as of more beneficial for my dmg in general for the appropriate occassion .I would say in the end it comes to personal preference ,and ppl should use what they feel more comfortable with though.
Really?? All I have heard is DCx2 gfx1 and CWx2 we shall see
More than likely going to be a warlock; module 1 is fury of the faewild, Rangers are primal strikers but that's more physical attacks and animal emulation, power-wise, Warlocks have a full on class feature for Fae pacts and plenty of faewyld themed powers; If the class matches the module, Warlock seems to make the most sense.
With Destroyer, 10% damage bonus, and encounter bonus rotation; as with every other tree, it becomes apparent how you are supposed to play the IBS system. With destroyer feated and the WMS/ws rotation, you already have a a 20%+ damage bonus to IBS.
The problem is that unlike most every other class, we can't provide this play-style when you consider how we should be played.
Imho, sentinel is still buggered from a gameplay value. The only 21 points I want are at either end of the tree. 5 for SoTs,, 5 for deflection, and then we need to skip the middle tier as we aren't really good enough for tanking the role the rest of the community decided was what we were only good for. (even after CW's blow everything out of our range....) Given how the community decided that we are most assuredly only an AoE class, this means that all of our threat builds are pretty much useless as none of our AoE values add threat. To build a defense build, you need 28 points. Every piece of gear that syncs with the sentinel decreases your damage output considerably on account that you get restoration and lifesteal instead of ArP, Crit strike, and Power. Yes, even power gets dropped by approx. 1.8k where our feated power conversion only returns approx. 1.2k, if you go with the Titan set.
And with the buggered weapon enhancements, we can't even benefit from our big weapon in that category, outside of possibly the poison one. (yet again.)
Why so? Powerful Challenge and freshly buffed Intimidation are both very solid feats, I'm going and try to play with Grudge Style first though just to see how it rolls. And I really wouldn't be concerned about the opinion of the community today, facts tend to change opinions.
Read the state of the game my friend.
It explicitly states the new class will be a "Ranged" class. Now it could be a Scourge Warlock but seeing as the module it comes out in is nature based, it makes sense for it to be the Archer Ranger.
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