After 2 level 60 characters I have to ask is anyone enjoying endgame pve?
I mean it's the same boring HAMSTER over and over and over. The "challenge" is fun the first few times but then its stale HAMSTER that most people would rather glitch their way through.
Frack if this is all there will be gauntlepoops notwithstanding I think I am going back to DDO
WTF was I thinking that Cryptic/Pwe would do something good?
buckem420Member, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited June 2013
I find it more enjoyable HAMSTER around in dungeons and blaming my cleric for my deaths then pretty much anything else in game currently, so I guess I am enjoying endgame content although not due to the content itself as much as the time spent with friends having a laugh. As more things are released I am sure there will be more to do, such as the event coming up from the 17th-20th to end the open beta as well as new content coming at some point this summer, I have some faith that with time more endgame will come and hopefully they will listen to the complaints and make bosses about mechanics and not just spawning 1000 adds on people to give the illusion of difficulty.
PvP is a real challenge, especially against some of the pre-made groups.
For PvE the only real challenge right now is Epic Dread Vault
LOL...I have an idea... let's not place a campfire between the entrance and the first boss in Dread Vault! I mean...it's only a 20 min walk from entrance to boss... who cares if your PUG wipes... the 20 min walk will fill up some of that empty time you could be using on more beneficial things!
I find it more enjoyable HAMSTER around in dungeons and blaming my cleric for my deaths then pretty much anything else in game currently, so I guess I am enjoying endgame content although not due to the content itself as much as the time spent with friends having a laugh. As more things are released I am sure there will be more to do, such as the event coming up from the 17th-20th to end the open beta as well as new content coming at some point this summer, I have some faith that with time more endgame will come and hopefully they will listen to the complaints and make bosses about mechanics and not just spawning 1000 adds on people to give the illusion of difficulty.
Also the fact half the DC's in this game are utterly atrocious and this is coming from one, isn't helping either. Blue circle on ppl attacking adds. HW on person attacking boss occasional divine heal. Blue circle when adds are down and everyone is burning boss. Rinse repeat.
DC's need to stack more defense too. You're not a cloth or DPS class. You can take nearly as many hits as a GF.
GF's also don't seem to get they should be rounding up and aggroing adds and letting DPS attack the boss.
"Guys remember to pick up adds fast as I have heals ticking that will instantly bring all the mobs onto me."
"Guys, the mobs are on me."
"Ok, 3 minutes and I'll be right back with you."
I'm now just going to make groups wait that don't get the mobs off me instead of spending money on injury cures. The message will go in eventually
Roo. Cleric. Mad as a bag of badgers, will heal for beer.
The PvE endgame was fun until I cleared everything and got all the items, but I think this is inevitable in any game with any sort of PvE endgame. World of Warcraft is no different in this regard and the important thing is that they release new content regularly, which seems to be the goal here.
If there is no new content within a month of Gauntlgrym you might start to see an issue, but honestly the current plan seems pretty acceptable, even if it does mean farming CN for another week and a half.
Its specifically why Im leveling slow as I can. But unfortunately the experience caps to level up feel way too low. I level up just by doing a few skirmish and pvp activities. Im in the mid 30's and I've only just begun the first parts to the Black Dagger ruins.
I log in a couple times a day to pray for a coin and check/re-start my proffessions. Other than that I am on DDO or MWO until ESO is released. I hope to play this game some more but by the sounds of it they are not increasing the level cap along with the new expansion so there reallly is no point to play this any further. They shouldnt make it so easy to get to end game in any MMO.
After 2 level 60 characters I have to ask is anyone enjoying endgame pve?
I mean it's the same boring HAMSTER over and over and over. The "challenge" is fun the first few times but then its stale HAMSTER that most people would rather glitch their way through.
Frack if this is all there will be gauntlepoops notwithstanding I think I am going back to DDO
WTF was I thinking that Cryptic/Pwe would do something good?
Also the fact half the DC's in this game are utterly atrocious and this is coming from one, isn't helping either. Blue circle on ppl attacking adds. HW on person attacking boss occasional divine heal. Blue circle when adds are down and everyone is burning boss. Rinse repeat.
DC's need to stack more defense too. You're not a cloth or DPS class. You can take nearly as many hits as a GF.
GF's also don't seem to get they should be rounding up and aggroing adds and letting DPS attack the boss.
Can you not mark targets or am I daft?
I play with my wife she is a DC and I have been playing my GF and since our run in with the mad dragon we go like this, myself (GF) on the boss and everyone else on adds.
Seems to me my wife is getting aggro all the time due to healing and marks go buybye when you get hit. I have tried the GF (me) on adds and it turns to HAMSTER far more easily then if I take the boss and everyone else takes care of adds and then helps with boss if they can now and then.
Dunno but I view a GF more as a "single" critter tank and gwf as "mob tank".
The way I see it is dps should be taking out the biggest threats as fast as possible which is the adds not the bosses.
After 2 level 60 characters I have to ask is anyone enjoying endgame pve?
I mean it's the same boring HAMSTER over and over and over. The "challenge" is fun the first few times but then its stale HAMSTER that most people would rather glitch their way through.
Frack if this is all there will be gauntlepoops notwithstanding I think I am going back to DDO
WTF was I thinking that Cryptic/Pwe would do something good?
I don't even bother logging in to pray each day anymore. The end game is tedious and bland, I tried for a while...but I just can't convince myself to log in anymore.
I will probably log in to do gaunt~ a couple times, but in all honesty what is the point? My characters are all in full T2, the new content is T1/T2 gear...why put the effort in?
Unfortunately, my hopes for neverwinter were sorely misplaced. Luckily Marvel Heroes released so I can play around on that while I wait for ESO.
The only thing that keeps me playing atm is the Foundry. There are a few foundry quests that people have done that are better than any of the content Cryptic has put together (you have to seek them out though because there's a lot of HAMSTER in the Foundry too!)
As a DC, I find the T2 epic dungeons horrible. Horribly repetitive boss fights where the only mechanic is adds and more adds and loads of ae on the ground. Really can't see the point in doing these any more.
I play with my wife she is a DC and I have been playing my GF and since our run in with the mad dragon we go like this, myself (GF) on the boss and everyone else on adds.
Seems to me my wife is getting aggro all the time due to healing and marks go buybye when you get hit. I have tried the GF (me) on adds and it turns to HAMSTER far more easily then if I take the boss and everyone else takes care of adds and then helps with boss if they can now and then.
Dunno but I view a GF more as a "single" critter tank and gwf as "mob tank".
The way I see it is dps should be taking out the biggest threats as fast as possible which is the adds not the bosses.
In this game, it works better if tank rounds up adds. I know you get shield which makes early encounters cake, but healer gets rolled by the 6 million adds no one is pulling off of them. The taunt isn't great but it'd be nice if it was used occasionally.
My alt is a GF, I know the aggro issues. A good TR can off-tank the boss while you round up mobs and dps should be dps them. Adds down, DPS burns boss. I keep finding everyone attacks the boss or no one does.
GWF has even less aggro than a GF. They're not a tank class.
In this game, it works better if tank rounds up adds. I know you get shield which makes early encounters cake, but healer gets rolled by the 6 million adds no one is pulling off of them. The taunt isn't great but it'd be nice if it was used occasionally.
My alt is a GF, I know the aggro issues. A good TR can off-tank the boss while you round up mobs and dps should be dps them. Adds down, DPS burns boss. I keep finding everyone attacks the boss or no one does.
GWF has even less aggro than a GF. They're not a tank class.
Every time I have went this route is has been a fail in pugs. WIth me on the boss keeping it away from the main group and the group on the DC peeling mobs of her has worked though.
Maybe its just me or how we play dunno.
I would be curious as to what powers and rotation you use to tank adds?
Gwf should be aoe dps and off tanks way before TR should be able to tank anything. TR should be DD with a burst dps focus.
faremmaMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian UsersPosts: 3Arc User
edited June 2013
Sorry if this is a stupid question. But as a newly levelled 60 character, where do you turn to to gear up to be able to try the epic dungeons? I have tried the non epic versions of Dread Vaults and Karun-something-or-other and I have yet to try and clear them.
A kind Rogue advised me to upgrade my gear as it is lacking. But if I am undergear to clear the instances which I assumed was intended to farm gear, then where do I turn to? Am I looking to try to farm gear in PVP, or should I turn to the AH? I do not imagine that PvP'ing while being undergeared will be much fun.
Sorry if this is a stupid question. But as a newly levelled 60 character, where do you turn to to gear up to be able to try the epic dungeons? I have tried the non epic versions of Dread Vaults and Karun-something-or-other and I have yet to try and clear them.
A kind Rogue advised me to upgrade my gear as it is lacking. But if I am undergear to clear the instances which I assumed was intended to farm gear, then where do I turn to? Am I looking to try to farm gear in PVP, or should I turn to the AH? I do not imagine that PvP'ing while being undergeared will be much fun.
Yep farm pvp gear. Then you can get to t1 dungeons etc etc etc. oh and pvping while undergeared is not fun. Kaybe you shouldve just lvled through pvp
Sorry if this is a stupid question. But as a newly levelled 60 character, where do you turn to to gear up to be able to try the epic dungeons? I have tried the non epic versions of Dread Vaults and Karun-something-or-other and I have yet to try and clear them.
A kind Rogue advised me to upgrade my gear as it is lacking. But if I am undergear to clear the instances which I assumed was intended to farm gear, then where do I turn to? Am I looking to try to farm gear in PVP, or should I turn to the AH? I do not imagine that PvP'ing while being undergeared will be much fun.
Yep farm pvp gear. Then you can get to t1 dungeons etc etc etc. oh and pvping while undergeared is not fun. Maybe you shouldve just lvled through pvp
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faremmaMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian UsersPosts: 3Arc User
First of all, my main is cleric, and I don't enjoy endgame at all.
It's all about kiting as an add-magnet, casting AS, and that's all. No fun at all as a cleric.
But I'm also sick of the endgame because this community is all about cheating and exploiting. I mean "let's find a way to skip 90% of the dungeon, jumping, running, dying. Let's try to usebug the boss to suicide him or kill him out of the boss area.".
I've had enough of this. Can we play some fun dungeons, where you have to progress, kill different types of mobs ? Dungeons where minibosses are not trash mobs and where bosses are different from an HP bar spawning billions of adds running after cleric ?
A game where the economy is not ruinned by people who exploit bosses like spider and others, flooding the AH with stuffs ? What's the point of running T2 dungeons when the drops sux and when you can get better ones for cheap at AH ?
The endgame is also ruinned by the AH exploiters who now got billions of AD.
This game is all about billions ADs and billions adds.
Wait... There is actually an endgame? But that's only for DC, CW and TR's I suppose?
No I don't enjoy engame at all, mostly cuz of exploits and If you don't want to use exploits you even get kicked out and noone needs a GF anyways so i mostly PvP and "play AH" to buy my gear.
I really like the epic boss fights as a cw. There is a lot for me to do.
As for the glitching I'm of two minds. Fighting through castle never is really fun so I'm happy to do it. Getting to the bottom of spellplague is brutally unfun even though I have all the responsibilities. So in that scenario I would happily do some out of map jump if I was aware of one. Whoever designed that map should be forced to playtest it for a month.
I don't get people who glitch the boss though. Why do you want all this gear if you aren't going to play the game right? Lets say I was present for a spiderqueen suicide hypothetically and then saw it twice more. All you get is delve chest trash and you don't really get to play. MMO players seem to love this kind of thing though, I didn't even have to play the game and I got items etc
Yeah I never understood why MMO's have gone the route of people able to get to end game in a few days. It just seems the same old people get bored quick and a month or two down the line the population dies and voila another failed MMO.
But guess everyone screams about the big evil grind. I myself enjoy the time wacking monsters wandering about with friends, and the random cool loot that might drop. Instead of this basic formula end game dungeon get all the gear in a few days and then now what.
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For PvE the only real challenge right now is Epic Dread Vault
LOL...I have an idea... let's not place a campfire between the entrance and the first boss in Dread Vault! I mean...it's only a 20 min walk from entrance to boss... who cares if your PUG wipes... the 20 min walk will fill up some of that empty time you could be using on more beneficial things!
Also the fact half the DC's in this game are utterly atrocious and this is coming from one, isn't helping either. Blue circle on ppl attacking adds. HW on person attacking boss occasional divine heal. Blue circle when adds are down and everyone is burning boss. Rinse repeat.
DC's need to stack more defense too. You're not a cloth or DPS class. You can take nearly as many hits as a GF.
GF's also don't seem to get they should be rounding up and aggroing adds and letting DPS attack the boss.
Can you not mark targets or am I daft?
CW's need to start CC'ing, but since I don't think there's a mark target I can see why.
"Guys remember to pick up adds fast as I have heals ticking that will instantly bring all the mobs onto me."
"Guys, the mobs are on me."
"Ok, 3 minutes and I'll be right back with you."
I'm now just going to make groups wait that don't get the mobs off me instead of spending money on injury cures. The message will go in eventually
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If there is no new content within a month of Gauntlgrym you might start to see an issue, but honestly the current plan seems pretty acceptable, even if it does mean farming CN for another week and a half.
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I play with my wife she is a DC and I have been playing my GF and since our run in with the mad dragon we go like this, myself (GF) on the boss and everyone else on adds.
Seems to me my wife is getting aggro all the time due to healing and marks go buybye when you get hit. I have tried the GF (me) on adds and it turns to HAMSTER far more easily then if I take the boss and everyone else takes care of adds and then helps with boss if they can now and then.
Dunno but I view a GF more as a "single" critter tank and gwf as "mob tank".
The way I see it is dps should be taking out the biggest threats as fast as possible which is the adds not the bosses.
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I don't even bother logging in to pray each day anymore. The end game is tedious and bland, I tried for a while...but I just can't convince myself to log in anymore.
I will probably log in to do gaunt~ a couple times, but in all honesty what is the point? My characters are all in full T2, the new content is T1/T2 gear...why put the effort in?
Unfortunately, my hopes for neverwinter were sorely misplaced. Luckily Marvel Heroes released so I can play around on that while I wait for ESO.
As a DC, I find the T2 epic dungeons horrible. Horribly repetitive boss fights where the only mechanic is adds and more adds and loads of ae on the ground. Really can't see the point in doing these any more.
In this game, it works better if tank rounds up adds. I know you get shield which makes early encounters cake, but healer gets rolled by the 6 million adds no one is pulling off of them. The taunt isn't great but it'd be nice if it was used occasionally.
My alt is a GF, I know the aggro issues. A good TR can off-tank the boss while you round up mobs and dps should be dps them. Adds down, DPS burns boss. I keep finding everyone attacks the boss or no one does.
GWF has even less aggro than a GF. They're not a tank class.
Every time I have went this route is has been a fail in pugs. WIth me on the boss keeping it away from the main group and the group on the DC peeling mobs of her has worked though.
Maybe its just me or how we play dunno.
I would be curious as to what powers and rotation you use to tank adds?
Gwf should be aoe dps and off tanks way before TR should be able to tank anything. TR should be DD with a burst dps focus.
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A kind Rogue advised me to upgrade my gear as it is lacking. But if I am undergear to clear the instances which I assumed was intended to farm gear, then where do I turn to? Am I looking to try to farm gear in PVP, or should I turn to the AH? I do not imagine that PvP'ing while being undergeared will be much fun.
It's all about kiting as an add-magnet, casting AS, and that's all. No fun at all as a cleric.
But I'm also sick of the endgame because this community is all about cheating and exploiting. I mean "let's find a way to skip 90% of the dungeon, jumping, running, dying. Let's try to usebug the boss to suicide him or kill him out of the boss area.".
I've had enough of this. Can we play some fun dungeons, where you have to progress, kill different types of mobs ? Dungeons where minibosses are not trash mobs and where bosses are different from an HP bar spawning billions of adds running after cleric ?
A game where the economy is not ruinned by people who exploit bosses like spider and others, flooding the AH with stuffs ? What's the point of running T2 dungeons when the drops sux and when you can get better ones for cheap at AH ?
The endgame is also ruinned by the AH exploiters who now got billions of AD.
This game is all about billions ADs and billions adds.
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No I don't enjoy engame at all, mostly cuz of exploits and If you don't want to use exploits you even get kicked out and noone needs a GF anyways so i mostly PvP and "play AH" to buy my gear.
As for the glitching I'm of two minds. Fighting through castle never is really fun so I'm happy to do it. Getting to the bottom of spellplague is brutally unfun even though I have all the responsibilities. So in that scenario I would happily do some out of map jump if I was aware of one. Whoever designed that map should be forced to playtest it for a month.
I don't get people who glitch the boss though. Why do you want all this gear if you aren't going to play the game right? Lets say I was present for a spiderqueen suicide hypothetically and then saw it twice more. All you get is delve chest trash and you don't really get to play. MMO players seem to love this kind of thing though, I didn't even have to play the game and I got items etc
But guess everyone screams about the big evil grind. I myself enjoy the time wacking monsters wandering about with friends, and the random cool loot that might drop. Instead of this basic formula end game dungeon get all the gear in a few days and then now what.