Dear Perfect Word you gonna answer Community about Cleric concerns ?

capricornus16 · June 2013

http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?331132-Dear-Perfect-World-and-Community-If-you-think-Cleric-will-be-walkin-Solo-not-in-Pair&p=4238242#post4238242

And it's not QQ topic about you nerfin ( stackin) AS. It's ok because it was op.

Evrybody are Concern about UP TIME !!. Because DC dont have "real tools" for healing. Mega big CoolDowns.
Someone tested that change at all ?

Because if not. You gonna se Double Clerics MORE OFTEN at Dungeons or ppl gonna quit "healin role" what is now also bad... . Best example : 20 second CD on Healin Bath...

capricornus16 · June 2013

More accurate question is : ALL changes at PATCH NOTES are FINAL ?? or it can be something changed still ?

j32435y45u6i · June 2013

capricornus16 wrote: »

Someone tested that change at all ?

Congrats, now no one is going to take your serious at all.

/thread

capricornus16 · June 2013

you still not gettin do you ?

GWF was prtty OP at Close Beta. He got Changes. And now you see state of GWF ??? they need after FEW MONTHS again rebuff him.
and 'HE WAS TESTED' accordin to all"

that's why im prtty worried. Becasue I TESTED changes and i know resutls. but yeah

ganjaman1 · June 2013

They haven't tested anything at all , just FYI or maybe they did test the zen store becuz it's working as intended right now .

capricornus16 · June 2013

+1 i know what you talkin about

skylia120410 · June 2013

I think everyone is missing the "whole picture" I have a lvl 51 GWF and recently restarted my cleric due do the balance notes.

My question is did anyone read the GF notes or is everyone stuck in these 2TR/2CW/2DC Parties?

I think with the changes to GWF and GF the parties will begin to balance and believe that this could be a good thing, now I am not an expert on DC yet I have 32 I deleted her I have completely restarted because I saw the changes and got excited but mostly due to the threat notes I saw on both DC and GF. I think once this is released completely we need to give it a chance and see what happens.

as a whole community we might the all the class changes overall balance things out to where GWF at 60 and GF at 60 aren't getting kicked because they are now needed and cleric could spend less time kiting adds (some will still get away I am sure but I think headache will lessen). but I think instead of focusing on just the cleric notes we should focus on the notes as whole for the classes

deistik · June 2013

I've ran a few dungeons on test - and agro is a lot better. It's not about that, and it's not even (for me) about the duration nerf to AS. It's about not getting any buffs to any skills to compensate for that loss.

People get their *** kicked when there's no AS down (as we have no real other way to keep you alive), and non clerics are going to find that out real quick after the patch.

skylia120410 · June 2013

deistik wrote: »

I've ran a few dungeons on test - and agro is a lot better. It's not about that, and it's not even (for me) about the duration nerf to AS. It's about not getting any buffs to any skills to compensate for that loss.

People get their *** kicked when there's no AS down (as we have no real other way to keep you alive), and non clerics are going to find that out real quick after the patch.

I can understand that concern I read somewhere though that GFs have a DMG reduction buff this could be a matter of GFs actually repeccing back to tanks as intended and the cleric and GF working together (as they should) to create harmony but only time will tell

deistik · June 2013

Our GF was running Knight's Valor. It helps, it doesn't fill the gap.

skylia120410 · June 2013

deistik wrote: »

Our GF was running Knight's Valor. It helps, it doesn't fill the gap.

good to know....will have end up seeing what happens live myself as my cleric is still low level atm

and to the person who quoted one line (GF respeccing back to tanks) I was under the impression that there a DPS build a lot of GFs were using due to the threat problems so excuse me if I am wrong

tarmalen · June 2013

Think of it as a smack up side the head for all classes to quit ignoring stats.

Lowering CD on AS pushes people to give survival some consideration instead of nothing but LEEET DPS stats.

allaerra · June 2013

deistik wrote: »

Our GF was running Knight's Valor. It helps, it doesn't fill the gap.

This is exactly the information needed. I wish there was a way to sticky your post so the Devs would actually see it.

j32435y45u6i · June 2013

skylia120410 wrote: »

good to know....will have end up seeing what happens live myself as my cleric is still low level atm

and to the person who quoted one line (GF respeccing back to tanks) I was under the impression that there a DPS build a lot of GFs were using due to the threat problems so excuse me if I am wrong

Since a HAMSTER mod s removing legit posts again, I'll repost:

You're not making any sense.

The simple fact that there are other build options available shows that tanking isn't the intended way to play a GF; it is merely one of several options.

Derp.

dreamhuntressx · June 2013

Oh, well, as i could see u did not made any test so far... Pointless, IMO.
I'm a GF myself, PvP/DPS build. I went to the Preview shard (highly recommended to visit) and run some Dungeons for test. 2 GFs, 2 GWFs and 1 DC was the lineup. With this team the runs were pretty smooth (more than expected), the DC was barely touched, standing still most of the time and even with the AS nerf (half uptime) he could keep healing us w/o breaking a sweat. And no, i wasnt running Knight's Valor. Plus the new aggro mechanics on GWF make it even better. Actually, ppl are already crying that GF are OP now and need to be nerfed (...), same about GWF.

clortbags · June 2013

dreamhuntressx wrote: »

Actually, ppl are already crying that GF are OP now and need to be nerfed (...), same about GWF.

Tasty Rogue tears nom nom nom!

satorusenpai · June 2013

skylia120410 wrote: »

I can understand that concern I read somewhere though that GFs have a DMG reduction buff this could be a matter of GFs actually repeccing back to tanks as intended and the cleric and GF working together (as they should) to create harmony but only time will tell

Respecing tank only reduces damage quite a bit in exchange for very minor survivability. My GF was spec for defense+threat since for what ever reason I could manage aggro, and well my shield breaks instantly (1~3 seconds), when adds hit me, some bosses can break it in 1 hit, and well things still hit me for half~75%+my health if I let it hit.

skylia120410 · June 2013

I still don't see this as the sky is falling dungeons are now going to have to be played smart teams are going to have to work together to find strats that work I see this as a positive thing for the game as a whole but of course everyone is entitled to an opinion and since I haven't played lvl 60 content I just have to wait and see and be the best I can be

grienne · June 2013

skylia120410 wrote: »

I still don't see this as the sky is falling dungeons are now going to have to be played smart teams are going to have to work together to find strats that work I see this as a positive thing for the game as a whole but of course everyone is entitled to an opinion and since I haven't played lvl 60 content I just have to wait and see and be the best I can be

until you play lvl 60 epic instances then yes, you probably should just not speak.

maukadweller · June 2013

^^ Concur.

maukadweller · June 2013

clortbags wrote: »

Tasty Rogue tears nom nom nom!

At least Rogues still have tears to shed.
And at least they will have clerics to beat up on in PvP.

maukadweller · June 2013

dreamhuntressx wrote: »

Oh, well, as i could see u did not made any test so far... Pointless, IMO.
I'm a GF myself, PvP/DPS build. I went to the Preview shard (highly recommended to visit) and run some Dungeons for test. 2 GFs, 2 GWFs and 1 DC was the lineup. With this team the runs were pretty smooth (more than expected), the DC was barely touched, standing still most of the time and even with the AS nerf (half uptime) he could keep healing us w/o breaking a sweat. And no, i wasnt running Knight's Valor. Plus the new aggro mechanics on GWF make it even better. Actually, ppl are already crying that GF are OP now and need to be nerfed (...), same about GWF.

Which "dungeon" was it where the cleric could standstill most of the time and barely touched even without AS up?

oroness · June 2013

maukadweller wrote: »

Which "dungeon" was it where the cleric could standstill most of the time and barely touched even without AS up?

lv 15 cloak tower at lv 60. I can't think of any other.

madgrenadier · June 2013

maukadweller wrote: »

At least Rogues still have tears to shed.
And at least they will have clerics to beat up on in PvP.

Clerics are still going to PvP after they remove our ability to earn Assists (and thus Glory) by healing?

arlach · June 2013

madgrenadier wrote: »

Clerics are still going to PvP after they remove our ability to earn Assists (and thus Glory) by healing?

Encounters:
Forgemaster's flame, Break the Spirit for first 2
3rd you have a choice: Sunburst for knockbacks (as well as grabbing assists due to easy aoe), Daunting Light (divine mode for damage), Chains (hold people while you slide away and nuke them again), Searing Light (not going to be good damage, since people don't group up, bonus is that it's aim at target instead of aim at ground), Divine Light (insta cast on ground is always nice).

At wills:
Brand of the Sun, Sacred flame/Lance (brand once, flame/lance spam when encounters cd. Lance does more damage, but flame can heal you a bit, although I don't see how that's going to help when you get 2 hit killed anyway).

In other words, no healing

grienne · June 2013

arlach wrote: »

Encounters:
Forgemaster's flame, Break the Spirit for first 2
3rd you have a choice: Sunburst for knockbacks (as well as grabbing assists due to easy aoe), Daunting Light (divine mode for damage), Chains (hold people while you slide away and nuke them again), Searing Light (not going to be good damage, since people don't group up, bonus is that it's aim at target instead of aim at ground), Divine Light (insta cast on ground is always nice).

At wills:
Brand of the Sun, Sacred flame/Lance (brand once, flame/lance spam when encounters cd. Lance does more damage, but flame can heal you a bit, although I don't see how that's going to help when you get 2 hit killed anyway).

In other words, no healing

yet the heals suck the dmg is sub par, so basically you are just leeching.

maukadweller · June 2013

madgrenadier wrote: »

Clerics are still going to PvP after they remove our ability to earn Assists (and thus Glory) by healing?

The 20v20 PvP gateway to the 20 man dungeon would seem to indicate they will have to.

arlach · June 2013

grienne wrote: »

yet the heals suck the dmg is sub par, so basically you are just leeching.

yep

The only useful thing is the ability to knock people off mounts/prevent enemies from mounting up.

Dear Perfect Word you gonna answer Community about Cleric concerns ?

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