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Great Weapon Fighter buffs still not enough
tarnisrad
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The Great Weapon Fighter still falls far behind the offensively specced Guardian Fighter in every facet of gameplay. Even after these buffs my Guardian Fighter enjoys lower cooldowns, higher damage, higher survivability, higher utility, and higher control over my Great Weapon Fighter.
Power provides the worst return per point investment for the GWF than any other class making it nigh useless. To add insult to injury we have a bunch of garbage feats with power components that pale in comparison to the other fighter class who actually benefits from power.
For comparison sake the Guardian Fighter can have a power boost that scales up to 100% with remaining block meter. The Great Weapon Fighter can get a 50% boost only when his team-mates take damage and he as the offtank avoids being hit all-together (How does this even make sense thematically?) Not only is the Guardian Fighter's feat just better, it's actually applicable to more than just PvE. In PvP the Great Weapon Fighter will never maintain more than a 10% boost on a stat that doesn't even really benefit him.
Frontline Surge and Bull's Charge have CC components and do more damage than Indomitable Battle Strike.
Lunge offers huge mobility has a six second cooldown with feats/light recovery investment and does more damage than Indomitable Battle strike.
Cleave does twice the damage of every Great Weapon Fighter at-will and does not have damage drop/target.
Why does the GWF have sets with no crit on them but 'when you crit' components on the set bonuses? Who in their right mind made that decision? Meanwhile, Guardian Fighters can bask in 25% of their maximum health pool being converted into power making a tanking set the most viable DPS set.
I really want to use my GWF over my GF, but when it feels like I'm playing with a handicap I just can't bring myself to do it. A 20% boost to our at-wills and a 1.1 second CD reduction on skills nobody even uses isn't going to cut it. A rework of the DPS feats, proper stat scaling, and actual thought behind itemization are the only real options to put this class on an even playing field.
Power provides the worst return per point investment for the GWF than any other class making it nigh useless. To add insult to injury we have a bunch of garbage feats with power components that pale in comparison to the other fighter class who actually benefits from power.
For comparison sake the Guardian Fighter can have a power boost that scales up to 100% with remaining block meter. The Great Weapon Fighter can get a 50% boost only when his team-mates take damage and he as the offtank avoids being hit all-together (How does this even make sense thematically?) Not only is the Guardian Fighter's feat just better, it's actually applicable to more than just PvE. In PvP the Great Weapon Fighter will never maintain more than a 10% boost on a stat that doesn't even really benefit him.
Frontline Surge and Bull's Charge have CC components and do more damage than Indomitable Battle Strike.
Lunge offers huge mobility has a six second cooldown with feats/light recovery investment and does more damage than Indomitable Battle strike.
Cleave does twice the damage of every Great Weapon Fighter at-will and does not have damage drop/target.
Why does the GWF have sets with no crit on them but 'when you crit' components on the set bonuses? Who in their right mind made that decision? Meanwhile, Guardian Fighters can bask in 25% of their maximum health pool being converted into power making a tanking set the most viable DPS set.
I really want to use my GWF over my GF, but when it feels like I'm playing with a handicap I just can't bring myself to do it. A 20% boost to our at-wills and a 1.1 second CD reduction on skills nobody even uses isn't going to cut it. A rework of the DPS feats, proper stat scaling, and actual thought behind itemization are the only real options to put this class on an even playing field.
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Now I havn't been able to test threat or agro management but I full intend to do so soon.
Character is what a man is in the dark
My Guardian Fighter does everything better. Try being a team player and supporting an underpowered class being put onto an even playing field.
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I've crit as high as 20k with indiminable battle strike which is our hardest hitting ability while rogues enjoy 20k+ bleed ticks ... So basically they can go afk after they stack the bleed and still outdps you ggwp. (10k GS with stone and ancient 2h/knot)
My friend which has the best gear on server IMO, reaches 37k hp, hits like a truck (you shud know why) and is impossible to kill 1v1.
not to mention he can just run across CN like its nothing.
AND NOW HES GETTING A BUFF. and then I come and see you baddies complain rofl, if the patch nerfs my char too much (wiz) im going to roll a gwf since they are the most OP chars after the patch.
I can't tell if this is a good attempt at trolling or if you're serious but if you are serious, care to enlighten the rest of us what this friend of yours is wearing and what spec he is because I would love to be as awesome as he is.
It's pretty easy to figure out why he hits so hard. He has cheap tank gear which gives him a lot of HP and slotted greater tenebrous enchants to hit like a truck, since it's based off of your health.
They are.
Tene's are just powerful. Just because they have an item that is granting huge (probably unintended) bonuses doesn't mean it's a solid class.
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But I find the GWF can be quite the trickster if his abilities and strategy is right. In the beginning it required some precision, now I have more AoE abilities and have experimented a little with running into a hoard of monsters slashing away.
Side note: I'm new to MMO, and mostly a console gamer. I actually miss my keys occassionally ._. ._.
But I'm still worried about the GWF becomming too powerful at some point. When he uses unstoppable he gets reduced damage and can't be stunned. Combined with a couple of stun Encounters, I have managed to kill quite a few wizards and rouges 1on1. (Those are usually the ones I try to take out first). A few levels ago, I was even 1st top score, being the only GWF out of 10 players.
Of course, usually those scores favours those HAMSTER who come to a tower with one or two team mates already there and just stays there instead of conquring other towers ._.
Totally a side note. But now that I'm the first to leave when we are two at an empty tower or when I'm fighting and suddenly we are 3 to 1, my score tend to be low. My team usually wins 5on5 (I think), though. The important thing is to capture towers, not kills. So yeah, the score thing can be very misleading. Though, I've also met very good carriers who score high.
My point is, I'm not particularly good, but I still manage to do a ok job with the GWF. Which means good players would probably be awesome with this class.
I think the majority will look to damage stats and such to determine if a class is good. And thus we have a reputation that the GWF is bad as it doesn't always score good on damage.
Of course, in some aspects, the GWF probably does suck.
Something that would be interesting is if instead of the classes being 100% "balanced", they would work in a slight paper- scissor- rock manner. Which would make PvPs more dependent on a class diversity. Of course, a rock could still outdo the paper if having the skills. Again, I'm new, so this might actually be the idea.
When I die in PvP or PvE it's because I made a very newcomer ( the word n-o-b is sensored XD) mistake. Like hitting 4 instead of 3, or hitting caps lock instead of shift .___.
I usually like the more challenging game, so if the GWF is slightly under the other classes, that would be fine with me.
Of course I realize that the game can't base classes on what is fine by me. I'm just saying, winning or doing a good job in dungeon or PvP becomes so much more rewarding when you know the odds were against you. It's exhilirating. Also, rushing into mobs and kick those asses are amazing fun as well. Teamed with experienced players who know exactly when to push the enemies away from you, it's pure bliss.
I also think you learn more harshly when dying a few times. The Mad Dragon opened my eyes to a different way to play the GWF.
If other players drop the class... Well, I'd actually enjoy a dungeon with 5 GWF because the dynamic and strategies would be very interesting to observe, even if we'd get sooooo wiped.
Well, I'm one of those who are in it purely because of the fun. I don't get angry when I die a lot, I get motivated to do a getter job next time. I enjoy that part where the good wizard killed you yet again while you were stunned helpless. If I spend one and a half hour on a dungeon where we can't take down the boss, I still had fun playing in the moment.
Well, I don't really tend to die a lot, unless I'm going for the distraction. My sprint can usually get me out of trouble if I so desire.
Rrrr. I just installed chrome, so I don't have a spellchecker here. Also, I had beer. I hope it's still readable.
But the problem is not the class, although it has some glaring problems when it comes to design purpose, and skills. Such as AoE dmg reduction for an AoE class? Making the AoE's hit for next to nothing if you are not Instigator specd.
I'm hopeing we will get our design fleshed out. So that:
Destroyer is Single-target DD,
Instigator is AoE DD,
and
Sentinel is Tank. No, not off-tank. Since that should be our whole class theme anyways.
But the real problems lie elsewhere. It's the general mechanics of the game. And the cleric class.
CW and DC have KBs that themselves kill the game. Making it a cheese-fest.
And DC is, atm, broken in such a way. That using two is by far the best option. And after the Balance patch. Will most likely still be best in pair. And since the KB is not addressed, and our class is not fleshed out atm. We still have no place in a end-game group.
Sure, it is possible in a guild. But that's it. People don't like to have fun in the moment wen it comes to PuG's. They just want it done, like a chore. HAMSTER I know, but here speed is king. And a GWF slows everything down.
But keep at it. Since these problems are so obvious, and the dev. team actually read feedback/care about the game, it will be fixed down the line. And you will be one of the few experienced GWF's ^^ -.... In 6 month time ;p.
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