So now that they changed threat from healing

laudon1 · June 2013

will we just have CWs crying about getting too much aggro?

maukadweller · June 2013

No. Unless the CWs have some type of universal aggro generator. The basic read I have is that the cleric will still get the aggro of any mob that isn't specifically targeted by another player.

laudon1 · June 2013

maukadweller wrote: »

No. Unless the CWs have some type of universal aggro generator. The basic read I have is that the cleric will still get the aggro of any mob that isn't specifically targeted by another player.

their cc does damage

maukadweller · June 2013

Yes of course their CC causes damage, but how many targets is the CW gonna CC at once and sustain reliably? Every single mob in an encounter? Cuz that's what would be needed to overcome healing's universal aggro generation.

With brand of sun and astral shield, I can generate aggro on every mob in the room without even hitting them with those at-wills. What at-will combo does the CW have to generate aggro on mobs that he doesn't even target?

The CW has a choice in which mobs to generate aggro on; clerics do not.

zylaxx · June 2013

Better bring a GWF then

chonir01 · June 2013

zylaxx wrote: »

Better bring a GWF then

I already run with a GWF. Gonna be funny as hell if all the mobs spin around and attack him right away. His massive defenses and my 66% AS uptime .. he should be fine right? Right? I mean he can always dodge or something .. heh.

llfritzll · June 2013

chonir01 wrote: »

I already run with a GWF. Gonna be funny as hell if all the mobs spin around and attack him right away. His massive defenses and my 66% AS uptime .. he should be fine right? Right? I mean he can always dodge or something .. heh.

GWF is supposed to be the trash tank in boss fights if the game actually functioned properly.

The GF is designed to be mostly stationary while using block to mitigate the damage from the big boss hits
The GWF is designed to sprint around and AOE down the trash so the rest of the group doesn't get overwhelmed

You were not under the impression the GF was supposed to tank the boss and ALL of the constantly spawning adds at the same time were you?

Of course this will take getting GWF to actually think about something other than dps, and actually spec and gear to be able to do the job... which would be an issue for many players who think they are supposed to be the big dawg damage dealer with their 2hd weapon even though that is really the TR job.

tursio · June 2013

llfritzll wrote:

Of course this will take getting GWF to actually think about something other than dps, and actually spec and gear to be able to do the job... which would be an issue for many players who think they are supposed to be the big dawg damage dealer with their 2hd weapon even though that is really the TR job.

This. A thousand times, THIS.

And to those naysaying the GWF's tankiness, they're just going to need to use their Unstoppable at the right times for the luscious 25% to 50% mitigation it provides. My first alt is a GWF (currently level 55) and I chose to take the ludicrous step of focusing on the Sentinel (tanky) paragon tree. I do not ever feel squishy on that character and don't expect that to change once I hit 60 and have purples. Once the changes to that tree's feats allow my GWF to actually hold some threat, it should be a lot more fun and satisfying to play.

laudon1 · June 2013

confirmed on bosses like xivros where the cw is chain ccing mobs, doing damage to them as well. the cw is tanking all of the adds while I am just sitting there trying to heal him. We definitely need a gwf to tank them :P.

penpenstar · June 2013

GFs can do better tanking since enforced works almost the same as come and get it. At last ITF and Knights Valor (50% damage soak) can be super useful in a party when AS is down. Fighters Recovery from GF also allows them to tank without AS w/o problems, decent GF's can maintain villains menace thru a whole fight which will also make them immune to all sorts of control spells (not to mention then can block big hits and replenish it easy with tide of iron). So I say get an offense GF now that AS has a downtime. Also now that threat has been buffed on GFs, they will now properly aggro adds with threatening rush and enforced threat, awesome.

Actually get both GWFs and GFs now, finally a party of 1 of each class can now work properly.

laudon1 · June 2013

penpenstar wrote: »

GFs can do better tanking since enforced works almost the same as come and get it. At last ITF and Knights Valor (50% damage soak) can be super useful in a party when AS is down. Fighters Recovery from GF also allows them to tank without AS w/o problems. So I say get an offense GF now that AS has a downtime.

gf so squishy. gwf so tanky.

penpenstar · June 2013

you just played with a bad gf pilot, mine soaks tons damage in dungeons without dying and is always top on the immovable object charts (our guild even killed Karrun with a GF, CW, and 2 TRs, when our DC got DCed mid fight, GF tanked the mobs alone with the CW without dying), i fight outside AShields especially when i have my dailies on (which is always). I soak half the damage of everyone without dying (something gwfs can't obviously do), and i double everyone's action pt gain which is especially rewarding for a cleric and cw who can now hit singularity/hallowed ground one after the other. You are only looking about the relative tankiness not the overall class usefulness in a party, i bet the GF you ran with have all offensive encounters in his bar save for enforced threat.

not impugning GWFs bec I always run with them, but i always thought they were good for aoe clearing trash mobs and a great off tank together with the GF.

laudon1 · June 2013

penpenstar wrote: »

you just played with a bad gf pilot, mine soaks 2m damage in karrundax without dying, i fight outside AShields especially when i have my dailies on (which is always). I soak half the damage of everyone without dying (something gwfs can't obviously do), and i double everyone's action pt gain which is especially rewarding for a cleric and cw who can now hit singularity/hallowed ground one after the other. You are only looking about the relative tankiness not the overall class usefulness in a party, i bet the GF you ran with have all offensive encounters in his bar save for enforced threat.

possibly. I'd like to group with you to see what you can tank in CN if you ahve the GS. I just want to know if I should prepare to bring a GWF or GF in our group. I'm on dragon medic@laudon1 if you want to play

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There's a gwf in my guild named lord steroidz and he is basically a god at taking damage. (he uses tenebrous as his main damage source).

penpenstar · June 2013

laudon1 wrote: »

possibly. I'd like to group with you to see what you can tank in CN if you ahve the GS. I just want to know if I should prepare to bring a GWF or GF in our group. I'm on dragon medic@laudon1 if you want to play .

There's a gwf in my guild named lord steroidz and he is basically a god at taking damage. (he uses tenebrous as his main damage source).

add me Chauntea@penpenstar our guild runs CN with a 1 DC 1 GF 1 GWF and 1 TR lineup, maybe we could group when our DC is out

yep i have 14.5k gs currently

elahndra · June 2013

laudon1 wrote: »

will we just have CWs crying about getting too much aggro?

better a CW have threat than me, they are more mobile and can be healed reliably, and have cc so, not losing any sleep over this.

laudon1 · June 2013

elahndra wrote: »

better a CW have threat than me, they are more mobile and can be healed reliably, and have cc so, not losing any sleep over this.

and are much squishier than us*

penpenstar · June 2013

ya, a decent CN CW fully equipped with recov can cast one singu after the other, don't think there'd be much difference but then again we still have to test more

some of my guildies (DC) are planning to stack def and deflect because of what happened are the other DCs thinking of doing the same thing?

elahndra · June 2013

laudon1 wrote: »

and are much squishier than us*

they are not that squishy in comparison; especially if you factor in righteousness. Plus I have seen some CW with decent mitigation.

synfoola · June 2013

llfritzll wrote: »

GWF is supposed to be the trash tank in boss fights if the game actually functioned properly.

The GF is designed to be mostly stationary while using block to mitigate the damage from the big boss hits
The GWF is designed to sprint around and AOE down the trash so the rest of the group doesn't get overwhelmed

You were not under the impression the GF was supposed to tank the boss and ALL of the constantly spawning adds at the same time were you?

Of course this will take getting GWF to actually think about something other than dps, and actually spec and gear to be able to do the job... which would be an issue for many players who think they are supposed to be the big dawg damage dealer with their 2hd weapon even though that is really the TR job.

Wish this post was turned into a pop-up in the GWF player description during creation sometimes.

unspecifiederror · June 2013

laudon1 wrote: »

and are much squishier than us*

That is a gear choice. The effective damage resistance difference between a CW and a DC is 2% (ignoring Foresight).

Using High Vizier's on the test server I can maintain 3k defense on my CW. It stacks up to 3 times on me so 450 * 3 = +1,350 defense. I can very likely make a BETTER CW tank than I could a DC tank just because of itemization. I'd also still have all my CC and better DPS.

If threat is fixed in a way that I can pull mobs off a DC with a CW now I will probably make my CW more tanky while maintaing CC and debuffing mobs defense to the point people get around a +50% damage boost (what I was getting in Whispering Caverns).

So now that they changed threat from healing

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