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As long as games have been around, there will always be cheaters...
lonnehart
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From our old caveman days when we dueled for a mate only to be clubbed from behind by your rival's friend who snuck up behind you to today, when some people will hack into a game just to get themselves a huge advantage over their fellow players, games have always had cheaters.
I remember the old days when RPGs took days, maybe weeks to complete. And then the kid down the block manages to complete the three day minimum RPG in just 24 hours. Then we'd find his terrible secret... he'd have gaming mags about the game telling him every secret in it, cheat codes to give him advantages he shouldn't have, and a game modification device (a Game Genie and the like) to ensure he never lost in his games. All in the name of being thought of as being the ultimate gamer. And of course he got bored with gaming when he grew up...
And I bet that kid does play MMOs, but he's still looking for ways to cheat...
So why cheat? And at the same time why spoil the fun for players who play legitimately? The reasons are many, I suppose. But I guess one huge reason is because those players don't like playing a game that challenges them.
Great... I suppose I just made a rant. I guess I'm just tired of it, but gamers like that will always be with us. And I'll think of that when I watch the next boxing match and watch one boxer go down because a Drow in the background (hired by the other boxer) used a Ring of Slaying on his target...
I remember the old days when RPGs took days, maybe weeks to complete. And then the kid down the block manages to complete the three day minimum RPG in just 24 hours. Then we'd find his terrible secret... he'd have gaming mags about the game telling him every secret in it, cheat codes to give him advantages he shouldn't have, and a game modification device (a Game Genie and the like) to ensure he never lost in his games. All in the name of being thought of as being the ultimate gamer. And of course he got bored with gaming when he grew up...
And I bet that kid does play MMOs, but he's still looking for ways to cheat...
So why cheat? And at the same time why spoil the fun for players who play legitimately? The reasons are many, I suppose. But I guess one huge reason is because those players don't like playing a game that challenges them.
Great... I suppose I just made a rant. I guess I'm just tired of it, but gamers like that will always be with us. And I'll think of that when I watch the next boxing match and watch one boxer go down because a Drow in the background (hired by the other boxer) used a Ring of Slaying on his target...
*sings* "I like Gammera! He's so neat!!! He is full of turtle meat!!!"
"Hah! You are doomed! You're only armed with that pathetic excuse for a musical instrument!!!" *the Savage Beast moments before Lonnehart the Bard used music to soothe him... then beat him to death with his Fat Lute*
"Hah! You are doomed! You're only armed with that pathetic excuse for a musical instrument!!!" *the Savage Beast moments before Lonnehart the Bard used music to soothe him... then beat him to death with his Fat Lute*
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Neverwinter Thieves Guild
My old buddy used to always have uncanny high rolls for his Characters in our old PNP campaigns. We all knew he kinda exaggerated his rolls. He did it every new toon. Was no secret. He payed for those lies by always falling into holes, getting snared in traps and even once got hit by lightning by our DM. His demise was getting ported away from the group for lieing about a natural 20 he rolled and getting eaten by a Tarrasque.
Wouldn't it be awesome if the devs treated cheaters like my old DM? If he were a dev, the exploiters would be running to another game with their tails between their legs.
Devs got to crack down hard if they expect it to stop. 3 day slap on the wrist bans just do not seem to be enough of a detour. They need to swing the Banhammer once and for all!
The difference there being that when you cheat in a single player game it effects no one's enjoyment but your own.
Most games with any kind of online options have safeguards that limit the type of cheating that players can do. Neverwinter has decided to take a big step backwards in this regard, leaving some things on the client side that can be accessed by anyone with a hexadecimal editor. That is a big part of the reason why people are so vocally upset about the direction things are headed.
Generally speaking, the people who do not want to see Neverwinter make it have given up interest and moved along. The people complaining now typically do not complain just because they like having something to whine about. They do it because there are very serious problems that are making Neverwinter a bit of a laughing stock, when it could be a really amazing game. And they do so with the hope that these problems will be addressed.
Zombie Apocalypse incoming. Or Machine Uprising.. I did notice UK has drones deliverying Dominos... so it begins.
I remember people saying that about WAR, ffxiv, neverwinter, tera, rift, aion, tor, eq2, gw2, and some others. Every mmo gets an influx of players in the beginning, a niche community stays, and the rest leave. Don't expect eso to be different. I hope it is, but neverwinter won't know youre gone, and when you leave eso for reasons x, y, and z they won't know you're gone either.
Some people will still do it though. They love having an advantage over everyone else. They always look for loopholes in the system to exploit and will try to keep it secret for as long as possible. And when it is found there's a chance that they'll be one of those people who complain when that loophole is closed (whereas everyone else who's complaining about the nerf are doing so for legitimate reasons... though I'm not sure what's so legitimate about exploiting a loophole in the rules).
"Hah! You are doomed! You're only armed with that pathetic excuse for a musical instrument!!!" *the Savage Beast moments before Lonnehart the Bard used music to soothe him... then beat him to death with his Fat Lute*
It's called rage hacking. People hack to make other people angry. They cheat to break the game either to get back at the developers or make themselves feel good. They're angry because as much as they like the idea of playing games they're simply no good at it and can't be bothered to learn how to play without cheats. Why? Because they'll never be pro which is their actual dream. To be good. Sometimes no amount of practice will get them there and they are so terrible that at most they can aim to be mediocre.
They're a species of gamer to be laughed at and pitied.
can not play video games without them
Aren't they all the same?
You don't have to be a mindless zombie and still choose not to damage other people's business and enjoyment. Especially when those people have done nothing wrong to you. A rebel needn't be a sociopath. Besides, people don't cheat to "avoid the system." people cheat because they're bad. Not bad people. Bad at the game. Playing the game fairly is too frustrating and hard for them. I've met many of their types.
No matter what excuse they use it boils down to that. My aforementioned friend has used every excuse in the book and vehemently denies being terrible. I've seen him play. He's terrible.
That is true although I have the same opinion of them as I do most criminals. Some people make a living off robbing stores/mugging people. Doesn't make it an okay process.
No, I don't think it's about being bad at the game lol.. You're missing the bigger issue, most exploit hunters are playing games for the money they can make out of it.
cheating and profiting is 2 different thing
I'm mostly talking about hackers. People cheat just as much here as they do in fps and believe me. People who download hacks are paying money. Not making any. Most people who abused the exploits when they have become public also didn't sell anything off. They thought "cool! I can get more stuff!" but on the whole MOST cheaters. The average cheater. Isn't trying to make any money. They're trying to make up for their deficiencies in their gaming.
I don't cheat in most games because I'm bad at it, I cheat in Saints Row 2 sometimes because I feel like just blasting stuff with a rocket launcher for an hour or 2. I cheat in others out of impatience or to get past area's I've gotten through before and lost the save. Sometimes I cheat to give myself a challenge, turning XP off in RPGs or even chaos mode in games like Saints Row and GTA.
There's lots of reasons people cheat, not all of them are because they're bad at a game.
If you "cheat" in real life, you face real consequences should you be found out. Granted, many people do get away with it, but it doesn't make it "right". Taking advantage of exploits or flaws in the game is wrong, no matter which way you slice it. If you cannot grasp why cheating is wrong, then you are simply of the wrong ethical mindset. It's not being a "mindless zombie" to do the right thing...
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When people cheat to get a competitive edge over others it's because they're bad. I'm discussing cheating in a multiplayer game. Not a single player game. Cheating in a single player game is usually because people are starting to get bored so they want to try to spice things up a bit or skip a level they find boring.
To the person saying "Trying to feed kids" there's other options. If they didn't have access to "exploiting online games or gold selling" they'd find some other line of work and if there's none? Honestly that's there problem. I don't feel sorry for people who mug/kill others to put food on their family's plates either. Robbing/stealing from someone else because you're extremely poor doesn't suddenly make it right.