Just got to experience this bull$#!^ for the first time today. Finished a run, the second the boss died the group lead kicked everyone so he could keep the boss loot for himself. I didn't even get a chance to grab the DD event chest. Basically I wasted 45 minutes of my time and I didn't even get the <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> name since the game doesn't tell you who kicked you.
Seriously devs, you need to rework the group system. Group leaders have too much control and the other members have no way to get rid of bad leaders (afk leaders in pvp matches anyone?). Leaders being able to kick indiscriminately without a group vote is asinine and opens the door for all sorts of trolling. At the very least I think the group leader role should be removed entirely for the queue system and replaced with team votes.
Oh, and for those of you who will invariably say, "This is why you should only group with friends/guildies/premades/whatever," you can keep your opinion to yourselves. I'm on at odd times and rarely have the opportunity to group with friends so usually find myself stuck using the queue. The devs didn't think the grouping system out very well and it needs to be adjusted.
Oh, and for those of you who will invariably say, "This is why you should only group with friends/guildies/premades/whatever," you can keep your opinion to yourselves.
I feel for you I do and I do think this issue needs looked at but you do know that one stupid line you put in will BRING peoples opinions down upon you. Its a forum its all about opinions.
Just got to experience this bull$#!^ for the first time today. Finished a run, the second the boss died the group lead kicked everyone so he could keep the boss loot for himself. I didn't even get a chance to grab the DD event chest. Basically I wasted 45 minutes of my time and I didn't even get the <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> name since the game doesn't tell you who kicked you.
Seriously devs, you need to rework the group system. Group leaders have too much control and the other members have no way to get rid of bad leaders (afk leaders in pvp matches anyone?). Leaders being able to kick indiscriminately without a group vote is asinine and opens the door for all sorts of trolling. At the very least I think the group leader role should be removed entirely for the queue system and replaced with team votes.
Oh, and for those of you who will invariably say, "This is why you should only group with friends/guildies/premades/whatever," you can keep your opinion to yourselves. I'm on at odd times and rarely have the opportunity to group with friends so usually find myself stuck using the queue. The devs didn't think the grouping system out very well and it needs to be adjusted.
This is why you should only group with friends/guildies/premades/whatever
That always sucks and should be easily fixed if Cryptic gave a shiiit. That doesn't seem the case so I will give you an advice as I am a very old MMO player: People that are cheating like this are usually silent or rude through all of the dungeon. Join a party. Say "hi". Check responses. Play for about 10 min. Point some things. Check responses. These people tend to have fixed behaviors for some reason. If you see something like that just bail. Simple. Friendly and sociable people are usually not going to kick you after the dungeon ends:D
ps: Also when you are posting in a forum try to not insult people that haven't even had the chance to answer you yet. The best solution is to have friends and pre-mades. Being rude at the OP to all the people that have this opinion makes you look bad from the start...
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urborgstalkerMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian UsersPosts: 17Arc User
edited June 2013
It's only rude for the people who were going to do it. That said, I probably should have just removed the "Keep your opinions to yourselves" bit, as that's like telling a fish to stop swimming, rather pointless.
I only wonder how much more common that practice is going to become, as the ones who do it have little to zero repercussions to deal with afterwards. People can complain, add them to guild "do not group lists", post names in chat, etc...but with so many players, nobody is going to remember, and the a-holes will carry on doing it over and over.
No more worse than having your loot ninja'd because someone thought you didn't go a good enough job. STORY TIME!
I was playing my Wizard, I forget the name of the dungeon but it is the one with the Daughter of Lolth Bonus boss in it. Anyway the long short of it is me and the Rogue peel off to go clear that side chamber and the bonus boss. I take the time to inform the group of what we are doing and invite them to join us.
Rather than join us the tank starts to RAGE utterly. Cussing, spitting telling us we are holding the group back. Yet if you press X I was topped out for DPS, Control and Kills..(Was a weird group). The long short of it we get to the last boss fight things go south about 3/4ths of the way through and groupmates start dropping like flies. I manage to stay alive, though lots of blinking and quick throwing AoEs. As the last member of our group dies I manage to finish off the boss, and even pick up the tank so we can finish the Adds.
So what does this little ****stain do? Roll need on the wizards robes. I am the only wizard in the group, his reasoning is I didn't EARN it and he's decided to punish me for NOT kissing his ***. PWE could give two ****s about people doing this, and kicking entire groups so they can ninja loot as well. No point in *****ing about it, unless you tell them you are willing to pay for a protected group mode.
I'm surprised the boss kicking didn't happen sooner then it did, as that was the true origins behind the need/greed system implementation. Some of the earliest mass ragequits was due to this; followed shortly by the mob train to the graveyard spawn location.
Good Lord what are these people like in RL? I solo but didn't have alot of this in EQ2. People are acting like its their livelihood.. its probably is.:rolleyes:
Someone on the reddit forums posted this as a minor work around to at least loot your DD chest when some hoser boots you... Can try it until Cryptic does something about it.
".Go to Options > Interface > HUD > Show Map Transfer Choices: ON
This creates a popup window which gives you a choice of instance to transfer to. If you don't make a choice, you will remain in the dungeon and should be able to loot your DD chest."
Someone on the reddit forums posted this as a minor work around to at least loot your DD chest when some hoser boots you... Can try it until Cryptic does something about it.
".Go to Options > Interface > HUD > Show Map Transfer Choices: ON
This creates a popup window which gives you a choice of instance to transfer to. If you don't make a choice, you will remain in the dungeon and should be able to loot your DD chest."
I had that on completely for curiosity and its annoying as hell to deal with when being kicked especially if you have to fight adds before the chest like in throne of idris. but yes it is a work around. It appears every 5 seconds.
Reportedly all of this will be fixed in a soon to be released mega-patch. Just like the rolling need for some non-class related item. The best bet is to make blue drops from dungeons bop so at most some dude will get 7 silver for his efforts.
They'll probably make a zen item you can buy for 35 dollars called Group Ward that prevents the leader from kicking you out, and it's good for 1 dungeon run.
They'll probably make a zen item you can buy for 35 dollars called Group Ward that prevents the leader from kicking you out, and it's good for 1 dungeon run.
No no, it will be like a rune/enhancement thing - you'll have a 90% chance to resist kick (-5%/dungeon) and the ward will be consumed instead of your go at the loot if you fail the roll.
You can report the fool. I'm sure this falls under their harassment provision. It won't get your gear back but it will put a ding on his record. Really all you can do.
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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vuulzMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited June 2013
Info posted elsewhere in post (should have read it all).
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I feel for you I do and I do think this issue needs looked at but you do know that one stupid line you put in will BRING peoples opinions down upon you. Its a forum its all about opinions.
Nepht and Dr Deflecto on primus
This is why you should only group with friends/guildies/premades/whatever
ps: Also when you are posting in a forum try to not insult people that haven't even had the chance to answer you yet. The best solution is to have friends and pre-mades. Being rude at the OP to all the people that have this opinion makes you look bad from the start...
I only wonder how much more common that practice is going to become, as the ones who do it have little to zero repercussions to deal with afterwards. People can complain, add them to guild "do not group lists", post names in chat, etc...but with so many players, nobody is going to remember, and the a-holes will carry on doing it over and over.
I was playing my Wizard, I forget the name of the dungeon but it is the one with the Daughter of Lolth Bonus boss in it. Anyway the long short of it is me and the Rogue peel off to go clear that side chamber and the bonus boss. I take the time to inform the group of what we are doing and invite them to join us.
Rather than join us the tank starts to RAGE utterly. Cussing, spitting telling us we are holding the group back. Yet if you press X I was topped out for DPS, Control and Kills..(Was a weird group). The long short of it we get to the last boss fight things go south about 3/4ths of the way through and groupmates start dropping like flies. I manage to stay alive, though lots of blinking and quick throwing AoEs. As the last member of our group dies I manage to finish off the boss, and even pick up the tank so we can finish the Adds.
So what does this little ****stain do? Roll need on the wizards robes. I am the only wizard in the group, his reasoning is I didn't EARN it and he's decided to punish me for NOT kissing his ***. PWE could give two ****s about people doing this, and kicking entire groups so they can ninja loot as well. No point in *****ing about it, unless you tell them you are willing to pay for a protected group mode.
".Go to Options > Interface > HUD > Show Map Transfer Choices: ON
This creates a popup window which gives you a choice of instance to transfer to. If you don't make a choice, you will remain in the dungeon and should be able to loot your DD chest."
Here is post to initial thread, Hope it helps..
http://www.reddit.com/r/Neverwinter/comments/1fjgcl/psa_if_you_dont_want_to_be_kicked_by_some_random/
I had that on completely for curiosity and its annoying as hell to deal with when being kicked especially if you have to fight adds before the chest like in throne of idris. but yes it is a work around. It appears every 5 seconds.
No no, it will be like a rune/enhancement thing - you'll have a 90% chance to resist kick (-5%/dungeon) and the ward will be consumed instead of your go at the loot if you fail the roll.