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Can we please address the plague fire and tenebrous enchant problem?
quitegonejin
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I do not believe that this is you will be addressed because unfortunately I feel like most issues in Regards to pvp are just looked over in this game but…
A greater plague fire enchant procs the tenebrous enchant entirely too much and there's something about it being really frontloaded in PVP. In pve it seems to work fine because tenebrous is only giving about 6 to 8% of the person damage even when they have seven tenebrous But in pvp it is contributing upwards to 80% of a persons damage all of which is happening within the first few seconds of the fight. Rogues are standing still and right clicking someone to death within seconds... from range and stealth for example. People are making tanky attack speed hit point builds that rely solely on tenebrous for their damage and it Is out scaling everything else so badly that the best way to find out if your team is going to win in end game pvp is which team has more plague fire tenebrous builds that the other.
Sure I can complain that this cost upwards to tens of millions to build but really that is not the most in Important part about this imbalance, the most important part is that no other enchant combination can even come close to comparing. And that the damage is so frontloaded that people are dying instantly. The only way to compete is to try to make your own cheesy plague fire tenebrous build for your class. These enchants should not be proccing a hundred percent of the time and stacking and proccing with AOEs but they are.
Just an example of mage who uses double enfeebling Ray can proc upwards to 20,000 damage just from those two enfeebles in proc damage. This does not include the damage from the actual rays and what happens afterwards if you are still alive. The average player in full tier 2 to gear has anywhere between 23 and 33,000 hit points. You do the math.
Pvp Has a lot of problems in this game, broken matchmaking bugs on entry, and lack of Variety, also a lack of things to do with glory. Don't forget bots, and sfk'ers. so it is hard for me to believe that any of this will ever be looked
at but one can only hope. As far as a reply from PWE…
A greater plague fire enchant procs the tenebrous enchant entirely too much and there's something about it being really frontloaded in PVP. In pve it seems to work fine because tenebrous is only giving about 6 to 8% of the person damage even when they have seven tenebrous But in pvp it is contributing upwards to 80% of a persons damage all of which is happening within the first few seconds of the fight. Rogues are standing still and right clicking someone to death within seconds... from range and stealth for example. People are making tanky attack speed hit point builds that rely solely on tenebrous for their damage and it Is out scaling everything else so badly that the best way to find out if your team is going to win in end game pvp is which team has more plague fire tenebrous builds that the other.
Sure I can complain that this cost upwards to tens of millions to build but really that is not the most in Important part about this imbalance, the most important part is that no other enchant combination can even come close to comparing. And that the damage is so frontloaded that people are dying instantly. The only way to compete is to try to make your own cheesy plague fire tenebrous build for your class. These enchants should not be proccing a hundred percent of the time and stacking and proccing with AOEs but they are.
Just an example of mage who uses double enfeebling Ray can proc upwards to 20,000 damage just from those two enfeebles in proc damage. This does not include the damage from the actual rays and what happens afterwards if you are still alive. The average player in full tier 2 to gear has anywhere between 23 and 33,000 hit points. You do the math.
Pvp Has a lot of problems in this game, broken matchmaking bugs on entry, and lack of Variety, also a lack of things to do with glory. Don't forget bots, and sfk'ers. so it is hard for me to believe that any of this will ever be looked
at but one can only hope. As far as a reply from PWE…
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Furthermore, tenebrous is based off of HP...which CW do not have much of to begin with.
I run a greater tene + greater plaguefire GF build.
Tene procs 100% of the time on hit with a 6 - 7 second internal cooldown (can not proc again for that time). It procs off any form of damage so with any kind of DOT damage (plaguefire) it will proc 100% of the time it can possibly proc.
If I swing 1 time at you, you will take base damage + 888 * 6 (tene procs) + 75 (plaguefire base) + 14 (plague fire dot). If I swing a second time, tene will not proc again for 6 -7 seconds.
When you can front load adding tens of thousands of damage cause of enchants in pvp, its broken and stupid. Nerf it, into the fricken ground.
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Game balancing features will be coming to the game in time as stated in the State of the Game.
The feedback isn't being ignored by any stretch of the imagination it's simply going to come out in large bulks. Just know that a lack of applied changes isn't because the changes aren't being worked on.
Tenebrous is not for armor, it is a offense enchantment that goes in any slot suited for that type.
Balance? Later? Lol, ok.
Here's en example of what you guys are letting stay in the game right now, and this is just what one class can do with Tene's and GPF's....
So rogues have 3 ways of re-entering stealth in succession right after they pop, the ability to get off a full chain of throwing daggers before popping stealth (clone, shadowstrike iirc) AND they can frontload 20k+ (that is the low end) dmg from Tene procs BEFORE THEY LEAVE STEALTH FROM RANGED. So this cheese build allows them to do that back to back 1, from stealth, 2 from clone staying stealthed, 3 from shadowstrike re-entering stealth once again and if they use the talent that allows you to build stealth meter without loss from damage they can then instantly start this all over again. PERMANENTLY NEVER LEAVING STEALTH and one shotting people with dagger throws. Just right clicking from ranged while completely invisible and winning.
Now, I have a 13k GS rogue and I can afford the tene build but refuse to do it in hopes that it will be nerfed, but until it does there is no competing with it in pvp. At all. Nerf it into the F'Kn ground now. not "Soon™" but right now.
The pvp in this game is just terrible. No matter how cool the abilities are, ragdoll effects and combat interactions, you couple the worst balance in an mmo ever with a cash shop and broken queue's that allow 3v5's and you let it ride like that for weeks. This is my 1st experience with PWE, but not Cryptic and to be honest I am ashamed I ever called myself a fan of cryptic. All the years I spent talking them up over CoH are a complete regret for me.
Note I'm not calling for a nerf if it will come at the cost of them being less effective in PvE since PvE is the main focus of the game. But if they can make adjustments within just the PvP environment I might be for that depending on what they are.
See what is going to happen is everyone is going to dump 60-100 $$ in their gear, respecs, etc. The patch will come out 'soon' (a few months ???) and then everyone will have to reitemize for the new meta.
Great way to make money aye?
One possible way would be to have skills act slightly differently in PvP and PvE. then any really overpowered skills in PvP could be toned down without affecting PvE effectiveness. Wouldn't solve everything, but woudl be a decent start.
However, as I play a cleric, its actually pretty rare I get owned by anyone, even more then 1 rogue on me at the same time. Yah I get one shot by the rogue daily, but honestly it seems to be somewhere like 1 out of 10 times. Playing my cleric in PvP, I feel almost unstoppable honestly, rogues usually just get owned by everyone else while they try and take me out, even silenced, as a cleric, I'm smart enough to have a Healing Word w/Divinity going on me, using Sunburst, my health rarely drops below 60% fighting a good rogue.
Alot needs to be done as far as PvP balancing, rewards, tactics, gear, resistances, DR, maps, theres a looooooooot of **** to do, to make it actually competitive and worthwhile imo.
I feel sorry for GWF's the most though, I usually dont need to even waste Divinity on an astral shield to eat there dmg, its pretty sad. Being knocked down is annoying, but generally I just focus someone else, eat the GWF's dmg, then focus them when everyone else is dead. A good GF does more dmg to me then a GWF could even think about it doing
http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?323562-Major-updates-on-the-way!
For those interested, as I said, "stacking" is specifically mentioned.
You've got to love people who don't understand a lick about game design, or how much work goes into changing one aspect of the code.
It's not like they can just say "Computer, nerf Tenebrous Enchantments" and it's done.
So, if it's beta why are they banning all those people figuring out the exploits. Shouldn't they want to keep those people around because, god forbid the game is released with massive game breaking economic bugs.
Oh wait, they're taking our money(I literally had my money stolen by PWE and no response from CS yet), with no character wipes beta is just a word they put in front of their game to get people like you to vouch for them.
You're obviously a good person who expects good things from the game, but you're being mislead. Eventually they'll get there, the game has great potential unfortunately the game seems to be release in second phase closed beta, It's way closer to Alpha than it is to release.
This has been gone over many times. There is a difference between discovering an exploit and abusing an exploit. Not only that but I doubt those people that abused the exploits bothered to actually report them. So don't give me the "Oh they were just innocent beta testers" routine because I'm not buying it and I doubt many others are either.
Offer different modes, including a, for lack of a better term, Naked Mode, where your character is equipped with only the items you get at the Beach in the beginning. This would neatly eliminate all PTW and other gear only advantages.
Or you could offer the option of selecting which Classes you want allowed in the Battle. If it terns out that absolutely no one wants to be in a match with, say, a Rouge, then Rouges would be SOL, and likely in dire need of a Class rebalance. Or at least people would stop trying to bring them into PVP.
Of course, it could end up with nearly no one actually USING any of these. This would tell you that the general PVP population does not really care about "OP" classes or PTW gear.
Me? I think Naked Mode would get a half-way decent following, and you would get some interesting matches in class limited PVP(we should have the option of a public viewing area for PVP matches, if the Fighters want to enable it), but most would actually settle for the standard fare, so they could use their shiny new toys and FoTM toons.
'Course, I'm an old cynic.
And any way you slice it, it would take care of the Balance issue for PVP, at least to the point of making it functional.
Oh, and as far as Naked Modes' probable popularity, consider this:
This set of rules, setting all competitors to similar technical specifications, with a bit of variation sometimes allowed(ie, different classes) is the same set used by nearly all professional Motorsports outside of Monster Truck shows (or Champions Online, in MMO parlance), including NASCAR, the Indy-500, and most of your European Grand Prix competitions.
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Would this fix the issue?