There seem to be a number of people pushing the 1g : 1000ad ration, but that seems to undervalue gold IMO.
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There seem to be a number of people pushing the 1g : 1000ad ration, but that seems to undervalue gold IMO.
This ratio would be good for people who need gold to buy potions for dungeons, but yeah, it's absolutely useless as a way of converting gold UP to AD. 1000 AD is literally nothing.
Yes, I know I used the word literally wrong. Shush.
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People think its 1g/1000ad because of the gold seller prices. that's what they based that on. Both are logical.. but it depends which you value more and which you need more. gold or diamonds. until you are level 60 you don't know which one would be more valuable to you though. its mainly just a choice beforehand of what you have more of.
It's probably worth noting that there is nearly nothing to use gold on, and yet people doing dungeons a great deal still seem to need more than they have and actively try to sell things for gold.
There is an important lesson to be learned there: If you play hard later, you'll probably be short on gold for the few things that DO use it(mostly potions). I'd suggest planning accordingly.
Now that said, I'd say that buying your first horse with gold is probably still a good idea. The reason being that if you save all the AD you get in game you can start your own level 60 dungeon running in gear that doesn't hold you back. It won't be the best of the best, but at the very least you can walk in the door in a set that leaves your character sheet as competitive.
It's probably worth noting that there is nearly nothing to use gold on, and yet people doing dungeons a great deal still seem to need more than they have and actively try to sell things for gold.
There is an important lesson to be learned there: If you play hard later, you'll probably be short on gold for the few things that DO use it(mostly potions). I'd suggest planning accordingly.
Now that said, I'd say that buying your first horse with gold is probably still a good idea. The reason being that if you save all the AD you get in game you can start your own level 60 dungeon running in gear that doesn't hold you back. It won't be the best of the best, but at the very least you can walk in the door in a set that leaves your character sheet as competitive.
If you have been playing you would know this isn't true. ever since the AH first went down people buy items with gold and sell items for gold too. there is plenty to do with gold. Personally I never ever run out because I sell my epics for gold via the vendor. I don't buy them from the AH, I directly sell the tier 1 epics I get and I have not once had less than 5 gold ever since I became 60 a month ago. I am stocked with atleast 60 potions and 15 injury kits at all times.
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If you have been playing you would know this isn't true. ever since the AH first went down people buy items with gold and sell items for gold too. there is plenty to do with gold.
Both his and your statement can be true at the same time. You can (and many people do) extremely easily run out of gold by doing normal in-game activities, especially outside of event times.
When the only AH with a single currency (AD) went down, people were willing to use anything as a medium of exchange, including Cats. They would probably have exchanged their moms on Caturday if they could... Since then people have used the chat system a lot more for bartering gold because there is no gold exchange and bartering systems in the game. Neither are there any direct sources of gold that can counter the amount you can easily spend just playing the game.
Personally I never ever run out because I sell my epics for gold via the vendor. I don't buy them from the AH, I directly sell the tier 1 epics I get and I have not once had less than 5 gold ever since I became 60 a month ago. I am stocked with atleast 60 potions and 15 injury kits at all times.
Good for you but, I bet that like most players (especially Clerics), the only way you have made this sustainable is by doing epic runs almost exclusively during events when you are guaranteed to get an epic piece that may or may not cover your gold costs during that run. If they do cover it, it was probably a disappointing run. If they don't, you probably earned a gear upgrade and you are happy anyway and do not care about the lost gold. So, you remain at or below the same net gold you started at 60 with. The only exception for this would be if you consistently do pre-clear and multiple DD runs or are guild supported in gear or gold or if you cheat and do exploits.
The fact there is not even a gold-AD exchange or a gold AH makes it difficult for people who just want to continue to play PvE in the endgame, especially the period immediately after questing. This has other consequences, like players deciding to level alts instead of continuing in the endgame outside of event times. This especially applies to Clerics solo healing who have no decent source of self-healing but by design or accident act like tanks or kiters. Copious potion chugging and injury kit loss, especially while gearing up, is not a pleasant hobby!
So, yes, gold is far more valuable and has more of an impact than many people realise...
If you have been playing you would know this isn't true. ever since the AH first went down people buy items with gold and sell items for gold too. there is plenty to do with gold. Personally I never ever run out because I sell my epics for gold via the vendor. I don't buy them from the AH, I directly sell the tier 1 epics I get and I have not once had less than 5 gold ever since I became 60 a month ago. I am stocked with atleast 60 potions and 15 injury kits at all times.
I've been playing so I know that it IS true. There simply isn't all that much to buy with gold. First mount, maybe a few coins on trivial low level gear early on, level 15 capped companions, some crafting items, and potions. Off the top of my head, that's not a summary---it's the entire list of gold currency based items. Outside of the potions, it's pretty finite list of items.
Player economy based upon gold is based almost entirely upon the potion aspect, and the honest truth that people DO run short of gold.
I appreciate, and don't necessarily disagree, that the notion that this player economy gives gold "plenty to do", and it does give it some semblance of an "active" state in the game. The reality of this, though, is that this entire aspect exists primarily to service the potion purchase money sink.
That's the whole reason I mentioned it. A person may become one of the folks running short for this reason. It's an important thing to keep in mind when choosing to buy things other than those high end potions with your gold.
Both his and your statement can be true at the same time. You can (and many people do) extremely easily run out of gold by doing normal in-game activities, especially outside of event times.
When the only AH with a single currency (AD) went down, people were willing to use anything as a medium of exchange, including Cats. They would probably have exchanged their moms on Caturday if they could... Since then people have used the chat system a lot more for bartering gold because there is no gold exchange and bartering systems in the game. Neither are there any direct sources of gold that can counter the amount you can easily spend just playing the game.
Good for you but, I bet that like most players (especially Clerics), the only way you have made this sustainable is by doing epic runs almost exclusively during events when you are guaranteed to get an epic piece that may or may not cover your gold costs during that run. If they do cover it, it was probably a disappointing run. If they don't, you probably earned a gear upgrade and you are happy anyway and do not care about the lost gold. So, you remain at or below the same net gold you started at 60 with. The only exception for this would be if you consistently do pre-clear and multiple DD runs or are guild supported in gear or gold or if you cheat and do exploits.
The fact there is not even a gold-AD exchange or a gold AH makes it difficult for people who just want to continue to play PvE in the endgame, especially the period immediately after questing. This has other consequences, like players deciding to level alts instead of continuing in the endgame outside of event times. This especially applies to Clerics solo healing who have no decent source of self-healing but by design or accident act like tanks or kiters. Copious potion chugging and injury kit loss, especially while gearing up, is not a pleasant hobby!
So, yes, gold is far more valuable and has more of an impact than many people realise...
No.. i don't do it during dungeon delve.. i can make like 20 gold easilly with just doing guild runs. But this, like everything else is implying gold is not supported in the games mechanics. we need it but we don't get it easily and don't have many things to spend it on till you get to 60.
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There seem to be a number of people pushing the 1g : 1000ad ration, but that seems to undervalue gold IMO.
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This ratio would be good for people who need gold to buy potions for dungeons, but yeah, it's absolutely useless as a way of converting gold UP to AD. 1000 AD is literally nothing.
Yes, I know I used the word literally wrong. Shush.
There is an important lesson to be learned there: If you play hard later, you'll probably be short on gold for the few things that DO use it(mostly potions). I'd suggest planning accordingly.
Now that said, I'd say that buying your first horse with gold is probably still a good idea. The reason being that if you save all the AD you get in game you can start your own level 60 dungeon running in gear that doesn't hold you back. It won't be the best of the best, but at the very least you can walk in the door in a set that leaves your character sheet as competitive.
If you have been playing you would know this isn't true. ever since the AH first went down people buy items with gold and sell items for gold too. there is plenty to do with gold. Personally I never ever run out because I sell my epics for gold via the vendor. I don't buy them from the AH, I directly sell the tier 1 epics I get and I have not once had less than 5 gold ever since I became 60 a month ago. I am stocked with atleast 60 potions and 15 injury kits at all times.
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Both his and your statement can be true at the same time. You can (and many people do) extremely easily run out of gold by doing normal in-game activities, especially outside of event times.
When the only AH with a single currency (AD) went down, people were willing to use anything as a medium of exchange, including Cats. They would probably have exchanged their moms on Caturday if they could... Since then people have used the chat system a lot more for bartering gold because there is no gold exchange and bartering systems in the game. Neither are there any direct sources of gold that can counter the amount you can easily spend just playing the game.
Good for you but, I bet that like most players (especially Clerics), the only way you have made this sustainable is by doing epic runs almost exclusively during events when you are guaranteed to get an epic piece that may or may not cover your gold costs during that run. If they do cover it, it was probably a disappointing run. If they don't, you probably earned a gear upgrade and you are happy anyway and do not care about the lost gold. So, you remain at or below the same net gold you started at 60 with. The only exception for this would be if you consistently do pre-clear and multiple DD runs or are guild supported in gear or gold or if you cheat and do exploits.
The fact there is not even a gold-AD exchange or a gold AH makes it difficult for people who just want to continue to play PvE in the endgame, especially the period immediately after questing. This has other consequences, like players deciding to level alts instead of continuing in the endgame outside of event times. This especially applies to Clerics solo healing who have no decent source of self-healing but by design or accident act like tanks or kiters. Copious potion chugging and injury kit loss, especially while gearing up, is not a pleasant hobby!
So, yes, gold is far more valuable and has more of an impact than many people realise...
I've been playing so I know that it IS true. There simply isn't all that much to buy with gold. First mount, maybe a few coins on trivial low level gear early on, level 15 capped companions, some crafting items, and potions. Off the top of my head, that's not a summary---it's the entire list of gold currency based items. Outside of the potions, it's pretty finite list of items.
Player economy based upon gold is based almost entirely upon the potion aspect, and the honest truth that people DO run short of gold.
I appreciate, and don't necessarily disagree, that the notion that this player economy gives gold "plenty to do", and it does give it some semblance of an "active" state in the game. The reality of this, though, is that this entire aspect exists primarily to service the potion purchase money sink.
That's the whole reason I mentioned it. A person may become one of the folks running short for this reason. It's an important thing to keep in mind when choosing to buy things other than those high end potions with your gold.
No.. i don't do it during dungeon delve.. i can make like 20 gold easilly with just doing guild runs. But this, like everything else is implying gold is not supported in the games mechanics. we need it but we don't get it easily and don't have many things to spend it on till you get to 60.