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My PvP rant. LOVE the combat, hate the system.... Tons of info inside.
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Ok, so before I go ballistic:
I PvP A LOT. As in, I'm a 34 yrs old gamer, have been playing mmo style pvp since Shadowbane(read up on it if you want to know about open world lootable pvp with tons of player driven customizable classes, fun stuff) and ran through every mmo with pvp since. Mostly melee pvp but not exclusively. You still stuck on how old I am? Get over it kiddo! Just cause my first toy was a survival knife and a wood burning kit doesn't mean I cant work this here magical typewriter... now where did I put my teeth....
Back on track...here's what I LOOOVE about NW pvp: the combat style. That is it, the moves of all classes feel unique, and I dislike tab targeting, and the ragdoll effects are refreshing and very satisfying. I'd like to bounce those things like Sugar Ray Leano... erm, back to NW.
The classes, they do not stick to the WoW clone feel of so many other games. This is nice. Some ingenuity in new mmos is always a bonus and not found often enough. Can't have that new game feel without anything different from the old style World of blah blah blah been done who cares now can we move on?
How much of these classes have I experienced you ask? Do I even know wtf I am talking about? DO I EVEN LIFT? Probably not, but you are gonna sit there and read this anyway! YES YOU ARE!
/wave's a fist and makes a face that looks like I'm thinking the words "why I otta!".
Ok, so I have 4 classes to 10k+ gs (15k being the top end) and most of them are geared for pvp first with enough specced into pve to get by, that good enough? Sorry clerics, I just can't do it... yet... maybe later.
God I hate pure support classes. You are the red headed step child of classes, and I am a RL redheaded step child! And left handed, so that's saying a lot. (No I have no soul, no my teachers didn't smack my hands with a ruler to make me a righty. I wish they had. FU Razor, make a Lefty mouse already you ****!) . Ahem.
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CW, really probably the easiest class to pug pvp and my least geared toon (9600). This class can do everything well, engage, disengage, escape, aoe, cc, single target etc. I love the way the tab works and creates great customization. That being said, if you don't double enfleeble you need to diaf! Ahem. Coming from someone who has a natural hate for casters the fact that I can even play this class for an extended period of time says A LOT. A good cw WITH good gear, or the broken greater plaguefire/Teneb build is a disaster to behold. Sadly, I like melee first and foremost so I cannot play a CW for super long periods of time. If only that were the case. If you like casters, look no further. Seriously, stop lookin.
TR, they seem to do rogues right in this game. Mobile, stealthy but not perma stealth, and single target GAWDS. The throwing daggers seem a bit much with the above broken build but I think that is more of a signal that Teneb/GPF needs a hard nerf and not the class. Not every rogue does the class justice, which I like. It means the good rogues are few and far between and the people who THINK they have a 1 shot win in pvp know very little. Also they are really good in pve which is refreshing. Sadly, most mmo's get too much crying over the stealth classes because people would rather not deal with them and they end up nerfed and really weak for long periods of time... I see that incoming if people keep crying over TR's while CW's and GF's go unchecked. (wait, no I am not trashing on GF's... hold on there sparky).
GF's I love you! I love your burst, your "stickativity" and your block. Envy your guide is amazing. Also FK pve tanking and FK WoW for making it so ******* boring. And TY NW for punishing those dirty no good clerics and making them tank, heal and off dps. They deserve it. The big jerks.
Erm, yeah, back to GFs. I love you..and even love block. Or I did till it broke. Block in pvp is pure garbage now. I wont go into it, read the 900 other threads that are for some HAMSTER reason being ignored and covered up. Or just take my word for it. C'mon, you know me. Trust me brah....
ATM block is the most unresponsive skill in the game and went from decent, sometimes great to pure HAMSTER. I have a 15k GS GF and I refuse to play him in pvp right now because of this. I could still go in to pvp and do WELL but there is no reactive play style to block anymore and that just takes the skill out of the game for me. Moving on.
I SAID MOVING ON!
GWF. Oh boy, where to start. Everyone hates on them, and a few sentinels of the class swear they are fine and that you just need to make them work. Well, I do think they have a rougher starting point at 60 pvp. Leveling wise, if you know when to pick fights you can actually destroy and almost always get away. Seriously their tab and sprint together are amazing IF YOU USE THEM TO DISENGAGE. When I started paying attention to this, while lvling, I was nigh unkillable, able to kite anyone off a point, do great on the scoreboard AND win caps/games like no one else on my team. Theeeeen I hit 60 and just got facemelted by anyone in equal gear or spent so long chasing CW's and Clerics down till their help came and I died that it got frustrating. Funny enough TR's still arent a problem for my GWF. (no, funnily is not a ******* word, its FUNNY ENOUGH... Jeese).
Now, I have a mate who went full defensive build (Sentinel tree?), yet again with GPF and Teneb and he is a god in pvp. But being an altaholic (as you've by now keenly noticed; good for you buddy!) I have yet to settle into committing millions and millions of AD (never had more then 1.5 mill myself but hey, that's my own fault for not farmin the HAMSTER outa CN and DD's and pvping/lvling all the time instead. silly me.) into a toon and honestly I fear that if I was to do so and get the GPF enchant/soulforge/Teneb they would get nerfed shortly after and my money and time would be wasted. Really, should one enchant build be the only pure endgame setup for pvp? REALLY? (that's a rhetorical question jerkface.)
Now, the bugs/exploits in this game. Oh boy let it be known that I was on the receiving end of a 3 day ban, likely for partaking in pirate farm. Yeah, I'm a dirty farmer. SORRY! Them seals for 4 toons brah. (Oh god, thats the second brah I've typed. My English prof would be proud).
I think I've since learned what cryptic is intending us to do and not to do and after months of rehab and community service my therapist says I am ready to re-enter society and contribute to the almighty Zen God now. There's too many bugs, mostly related to stacking abilities, stacking gear passives, and exploits that can break the Zen/AD market. Maybe its just because it is my first time in a cash shop mmo but this seems wrong and needs to be addressed as soon as it is possible.
PVP bugs; seriously, maybe my whole post, my reason for playing this game is just bad because pvp in this game is so unfinished its not even funny. Leaders are able to remove you from matches willy nilly. (stop thinking about *****'s you sick sick puppy). Bots run rampant in the 50-59 bracket... and for the love of Pete (who is this Pete anyway?) why is the bug where people can't enter pvp instances still in the game? Couple that with the fact that if you don't remove them RIGHT-THE-FRICK-AWAY the group doesn't auto fill your empty slot and once they finally are removed or DC you now have a 3 or 4v5.... well, that's just wrong man. Worse then " killing my alligator bags and shooting holes in my suits... that's just wrong man"... (No, no one knows Payback? Bah...).
Also we need more pvp then just 2 different maps of the same game. Cryptic had some REALLY original ideas for pvp in other games (COH anyone), and so many other mmo's that aren't pvp centric (wait, centric isn't a word? Well ****) still have original modes of pvp. We need more, please!
Whew, that was a mouthful. My fingies hurt and I have pvp to go frustratingly play! And I still need to decide which class is most deserving of the actual investment into end game enchants. I will add more to this rant, like the cost of true end game enchants, the amount of skippable spots in pve instances that will (or wont?) get you banned if you use them and why white guys can't get enough of Asian girls... mmmmmmm.... Asians..... some other time. Much love, thanks for pretending to read. Old man falling asleep at keyboa
I PvP A LOT. As in, I'm a 34 yrs old gamer, have been playing mmo style pvp since Shadowbane(read up on it if you want to know about open world lootable pvp with tons of player driven customizable classes, fun stuff) and ran through every mmo with pvp since. Mostly melee pvp but not exclusively. You still stuck on how old I am? Get over it kiddo! Just cause my first toy was a survival knife and a wood burning kit doesn't mean I cant work this here magical typewriter... now where did I put my teeth....
Back on track...here's what I LOOOVE about NW pvp: the combat style. That is it, the moves of all classes feel unique, and I dislike tab targeting, and the ragdoll effects are refreshing and very satisfying. I'd like to bounce those things like Sugar Ray Leano... erm, back to NW.
The classes, they do not stick to the WoW clone feel of so many other games. This is nice. Some ingenuity in new mmos is always a bonus and not found often enough. Can't have that new game feel without anything different from the old style World of blah blah blah been done who cares now can we move on?
How much of these classes have I experienced you ask? Do I even know wtf I am talking about? DO I EVEN LIFT? Probably not, but you are gonna sit there and read this anyway! YES YOU ARE!
/wave's a fist and makes a face that looks like I'm thinking the words "why I otta!".
Ok, so I have 4 classes to 10k+ gs (15k being the top end) and most of them are geared for pvp first with enough specced into pve to get by, that good enough? Sorry clerics, I just can't do it... yet... maybe later.
God I hate pure support classes. You are the red headed step child of classes, and I am a RL redheaded step child! And left handed, so that's saying a lot. (No I have no soul, no my teachers didn't smack my hands with a ruler to make me a righty. I wish they had. FU Razor, make a Lefty mouse already you ****!) . Ahem.
CLASSES
==========================================================================
CW, really probably the easiest class to pug pvp and my least geared toon (9600). This class can do everything well, engage, disengage, escape, aoe, cc, single target etc. I love the way the tab works and creates great customization. That being said, if you don't double enfleeble you need to diaf! Ahem. Coming from someone who has a natural hate for casters the fact that I can even play this class for an extended period of time says A LOT. A good cw WITH good gear, or the broken greater plaguefire/Teneb build is a disaster to behold. Sadly, I like melee first and foremost so I cannot play a CW for super long periods of time. If only that were the case. If you like casters, look no further. Seriously, stop lookin.
TR, they seem to do rogues right in this game. Mobile, stealthy but not perma stealth, and single target GAWDS. The throwing daggers seem a bit much with the above broken build but I think that is more of a signal that Teneb/GPF needs a hard nerf and not the class. Not every rogue does the class justice, which I like. It means the good rogues are few and far between and the people who THINK they have a 1 shot win in pvp know very little. Also they are really good in pve which is refreshing. Sadly, most mmo's get too much crying over the stealth classes because people would rather not deal with them and they end up nerfed and really weak for long periods of time... I see that incoming if people keep crying over TR's while CW's and GF's go unchecked. (wait, no I am not trashing on GF's... hold on there sparky).
GF's I love you! I love your burst, your "stickativity" and your block. Envy your guide is amazing. Also FK pve tanking and FK WoW for making it so ******* boring. And TY NW for punishing those dirty no good clerics and making them tank, heal and off dps. They deserve it. The big jerks.
Erm, yeah, back to GFs. I love you..and even love block. Or I did till it broke. Block in pvp is pure garbage now. I wont go into it, read the 900 other threads that are for some HAMSTER reason being ignored and covered up. Or just take my word for it. C'mon, you know me. Trust me brah....
ATM block is the most unresponsive skill in the game and went from decent, sometimes great to pure HAMSTER. I have a 15k GS GF and I refuse to play him in pvp right now because of this. I could still go in to pvp and do WELL but there is no reactive play style to block anymore and that just takes the skill out of the game for me. Moving on.
I SAID MOVING ON!
GWF. Oh boy, where to start. Everyone hates on them, and a few sentinels of the class swear they are fine and that you just need to make them work. Well, I do think they have a rougher starting point at 60 pvp. Leveling wise, if you know when to pick fights you can actually destroy and almost always get away. Seriously their tab and sprint together are amazing IF YOU USE THEM TO DISENGAGE. When I started paying attention to this, while lvling, I was nigh unkillable, able to kite anyone off a point, do great on the scoreboard AND win caps/games like no one else on my team. Theeeeen I hit 60 and just got facemelted by anyone in equal gear or spent so long chasing CW's and Clerics down till their help came and I died that it got frustrating. Funny enough TR's still arent a problem for my GWF. (no, funnily is not a ******* word, its FUNNY ENOUGH... Jeese).
Now, I have a mate who went full defensive build (Sentinel tree?), yet again with GPF and Teneb and he is a god in pvp. But being an altaholic (as you've by now keenly noticed; good for you buddy!) I have yet to settle into committing millions and millions of AD (never had more then 1.5 mill myself but hey, that's my own fault for not farmin the HAMSTER outa CN and DD's and pvping/lvling all the time instead. silly me.) into a toon and honestly I fear that if I was to do so and get the GPF enchant/soulforge/Teneb they would get nerfed shortly after and my money and time would be wasted. Really, should one enchant build be the only pure endgame setup for pvp? REALLY? (that's a rhetorical question jerkface.)
Now, the bugs/exploits in this game. Oh boy let it be known that I was on the receiving end of a 3 day ban, likely for partaking in pirate farm. Yeah, I'm a dirty farmer. SORRY! Them seals for 4 toons brah. (Oh god, thats the second brah I've typed. My English prof would be proud).
I think I've since learned what cryptic is intending us to do and not to do and after months of rehab and community service my therapist says I am ready to re-enter society and contribute to the almighty Zen God now. There's too many bugs, mostly related to stacking abilities, stacking gear passives, and exploits that can break the Zen/AD market. Maybe its just because it is my first time in a cash shop mmo but this seems wrong and needs to be addressed as soon as it is possible.
PVP bugs; seriously, maybe my whole post, my reason for playing this game is just bad because pvp in this game is so unfinished its not even funny. Leaders are able to remove you from matches willy nilly. (stop thinking about *****'s you sick sick puppy). Bots run rampant in the 50-59 bracket... and for the love of Pete (who is this Pete anyway?) why is the bug where people can't enter pvp instances still in the game? Couple that with the fact that if you don't remove them RIGHT-THE-FRICK-AWAY the group doesn't auto fill your empty slot and once they finally are removed or DC you now have a 3 or 4v5.... well, that's just wrong man. Worse then " killing my alligator bags and shooting holes in my suits... that's just wrong man"... (No, no one knows Payback? Bah...).
Also we need more pvp then just 2 different maps of the same game. Cryptic had some REALLY original ideas for pvp in other games (COH anyone), and so many other mmo's that aren't pvp centric (wait, centric isn't a word? Well ****) still have original modes of pvp. We need more, please!
Whew, that was a mouthful. My fingies hurt and I have pvp to go frustratingly play! And I still need to decide which class is most deserving of the actual investment into end game enchants. I will add more to this rant, like the cost of true end game enchants, the amount of skippable spots in pve instances that will (or wont?) get you banned if you use them and why white guys can't get enough of Asian girls... mmmmmmm.... Asians..... some other time. Much love, thanks for pretending to read. Old man falling asleep at keyboa
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ohh btw, note to myself. level a ****ing cleric so u can 3v1 at lvl60 pvp AND DONT FREAGGIN DIE
seriusly i hate clerics... tons of damage with their pheonix bullcrap and chains on the floor and then the shield+ heals? comeon... its like u wuld play a GF with heals but a bit lower base damage.
so since everything gets nerfed to oblivion soon, i think i will wait with my 4th spot and then decide what im gonna level... cleric or GWF... or maybe untill then i will have another 600k AD to turn into zen to buy me character slots.... so i have to wait another millions years to respec my totally awesome cw. who happens to have that wonderfull catursday coat/mantle/whateverthefreakthatisonherbackthingyiwanttokeepbecauseihaveit not to mention its rare and you wont get it ever again.
thanks for reading, if i had to happen any writing mistakes i do not care, english is not my native language so why dont you learn another language too, so i can make fun of you writing somthing wrong.
peace out
ps: ohh btw i have a 53 cw/ 60gf and uhm.. 50 somthing tr.... just if anybody wana know... maybe?
duh... i think he meant players, wich i assume, uhh no, like in no only what? 20% of all the NW playerbase use these forums?. like i dunno but feels like
why do i say like so much? like shuld i worry about it?
Fun post. I enjoyed it.
Join Essence of Aggression: PVP-ing Hard Since Beta!
DC is very much not a pure support class. Ahem.
BTW regarding pvp maps/modes, in closed beta I read that the devs were planning to allow pvp maps to be made in the foundry at some point. Don't know how it would work, but should inject a lot of life into the pvp side of the game if it can be pulled off well.
WOW that would be AMAZING!