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why so much hate against rogues?
mystflame
Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users Posts: 33
To start with, I am a CW. I believe that rogues are in a good place right now.
In PvE, they dont one shot bosses or anything even close. CW's and GWF's can both beat a rogue in total dps. So as far as PvE is right now, i believe rogues are balanced. Any changes due to pvp would make it hard for the rogue to compete in damage during dungeon runs.
In PvP, granted, they are strong, but they are supposed to be. When a class has to stay invisible, and throw knives at people from distance even though they are primarily a melee class, that means that they have limitations. Primarily, if they get into melee, they lose their invisibility. This allows them to be chain cc'd to death. I love it when rogues decide to jump on me. dodge their opener, force choke, and dead. It's too simple. The problem that a lot of people have with rogues, is that they punish mistakes really ****ing hard. You use up all your stamina just to get to a fight? A good rogue will see that and target you knowing that you cant get away. You use your entire combo on that GF that just blocked all your damage? You can bet a rogue will be behind you in a few seconds.
I'm sure every good rogue has played a game against a team that actually worked together to protect their clerics or CW's. It's not fun for you guys is it? A good CW will wreck any rogue without taking a single melee hit. A GF will destroy your combo instantly. A good DC will reduce the damage of your combo to the point of uselessness. GWF's just cc immune and kick in your face if you cant kill them first.
Now i know there is counter play to all the scenarios i just mentioned, but think about it. Counter play to rogues does exist, you just need to learn to play against rogues.
ANY rogue out there tell me I'm wrong.
In PvE, they dont one shot bosses or anything even close. CW's and GWF's can both beat a rogue in total dps. So as far as PvE is right now, i believe rogues are balanced. Any changes due to pvp would make it hard for the rogue to compete in damage during dungeon runs.
In PvP, granted, they are strong, but they are supposed to be. When a class has to stay invisible, and throw knives at people from distance even though they are primarily a melee class, that means that they have limitations. Primarily, if they get into melee, they lose their invisibility. This allows them to be chain cc'd to death. I love it when rogues decide to jump on me. dodge their opener, force choke, and dead. It's too simple. The problem that a lot of people have with rogues, is that they punish mistakes really ****ing hard. You use up all your stamina just to get to a fight? A good rogue will see that and target you knowing that you cant get away. You use your entire combo on that GF that just blocked all your damage? You can bet a rogue will be behind you in a few seconds.
I'm sure every good rogue has played a game against a team that actually worked together to protect their clerics or CW's. It's not fun for you guys is it? A good CW will wreck any rogue without taking a single melee hit. A GF will destroy your combo instantly. A good DC will reduce the damage of your combo to the point of uselessness. GWF's just cc immune and kick in your face if you cant kill them first.
Now i know there is counter play to all the scenarios i just mentioned, but think about it. Counter play to rogues does exist, you just need to learn to play against rogues.
ANY rogue out there tell me I'm wrong.
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When I see a rogue use Impossible to Catch for PVE and PVP, I immediately think the rogue is a bad player. The players that complain going up against rogues with Impossible to Catch are even worst players.
However, if you made 50% of the rogues reroll to GWF or any other class, I guarantee you people will cry that GWF or those other classes are overpowered.
It's not the class.
CWs are OP nerf em naow!1!1!! lol
rogues really arent that good as ppl make em out to be. Once someone understands their skills, its really easy to counter em. Dazing Strike is the perfect example of this. Problem is, people feel that if they only know their class well then they should be good in pvp.
What u got against Impossible to Catch bro? I often use that skill in domination and it can be very effective.
Have humans really gotten this ignorant over the ages? Let me tell you WHY i rolled a rogue, not that I have to justify it, but just to prove a point. I rolled a rogue on here because they are an innovative class that uses all kinds of skills to get the jump on their enemies. They can do things no other class can do. Just like other classes can do things the rogue cant. I saw that video of that guy soloing the pirate king and that inspired me to create a rogue. Was what he did easy? Hell no, that fight took like 10 minutes and he had to do a lot of moving around and use a lot of cooldowns and he almost died a few times. It was a clever use of game mechanics and using the class. It made me think, hey, thats awesome that a rogue can do that, people can actually think outside the box with this class.
Did I choose rogues for easymode? No, I like the idea of what a rogue is on this game and the abilities look awesome. Can a cleric or CW or GWF solo pirate king? no, but then again a rogue cant CC like a CW, or heal themselves like a cleric can. Rogues to me are balanced and that may seem silly for me to say for some, but instead of trying to get the devs to nerf one class, try asking them to buff and balance the other classes. Its all in how you look at it. Im sorry that there are bad people out there playing rogues and giving us a bad name, but hey theres got to be some bad people playing the other classes too, I wish people would stop focusing on the rogue class.
Rogues are squishy, we only get leather. Its not like we can skyrocket our AC way up there or get tons of HP like a warrior can. I2C is useful because it lets us get the jump on our enemies and soften them up before they pound us into the ground. I use pots often to save my bacon in PVE so saying we are overpowered or the ability is fail and used only by baddies is pretty ridiculous to me.
This is so wrong.
I have been playing mmo games for over 10 years and I avoid the rogue classes like the plague.
Most people who have been playing mmo type games for any length of time tend to gravitate towards group oriented classes such as control wizard, divine cleric, or guardian fighter.
Usually the DPS classes get filled with the people who do nothing but focus on damage meters.
Rogue classes also tend to be the cheese-ball classes in pvp in every mmo game.
I think the comment by Tenkuro about seasoned MMO players choosing the rogue class was a troll, and you good sir got trolled. Aside from that, ive been playing MMOs for 14 years now and ive played every class out there. Just because I like the rogue class in this game but hate it in others, (in WoW and Rift i use ranged DPS classes because cleaves makes me want to stab myself in the face).
I agree with your comment about seasoned mmo players choosing group oriented classes but some people just like tanking, some people just like healing, and some people just like DPSing. Theres theorycrafting on all sides, DPS, tanking (dmg mitigation/evading) and healing (zomg did u c my HPS? LOL LOL OLOLOL).
So using a blanket statement targetting people who dps as people who just focus on damage meters was wrong also.
Rogue classes arent the cheeseball pvp class in every mmo game, in WoW they were hated for their stuns and cc, in rift harbinger mages are hated because of their good melee dps, same with tacticians. Every game has its cheeseball class. its all a matter of perspective but stereotyping people by the class they choose implying they are bad is just wrong and shows your level of professionalism in gaming with others.
i wouldn't be surprised if this veteran got destroyed by some 12 year old playing a rogue
You stayed in one place and got face-rolled by the highest single target DPS in the game?
I'm shocked!
30k+ crits are really just numbers to help boost the rogue's ego. Truth is, the skill that hit for that amount(most likely Shocking Execution) hits harder when the target has less hp, it wouldnt do that to a full hp target. So it takes off your remaining 5k hp and the rest is to break morale i guess....
i've hit a guy for 60k+ derp....see what i mean
I can one-shot someone from stealth with a 25-35k+ lashing blade when it's up and still have nine seconds left to spam CoS.
Or you could spec right and get good gear and do this: stealth > CoS spam > right before stealth ends use imapct shot to stun > impossible to catch > 3 more impact shots.
They either dodge some of your CoS spam and get taken by impact shots or die to CoS spam. If you're on the point and they blinked far away from it, you did your job. That rotation works most of the time for me against CWs unless they have soulforged or I really mess up.
The problem I'm running into with CWs at endgame are the ones using the stamina hack, where they'll blink 5-6 times in a row with no shame because they don't want to die.
I think that some personalities are just more drawn to certain classes/skillsets. I've always played as a rogue type, at least dual-weapon and preferably with stealth. I like to set my targets up, but even more so, I just love the ability to get away, re-asses the situation, and move back in again. It looks like the easiest class to solo, both in PvE and PvP, but it really isn't. 1v1 they do fine, it's just that it's often 1vtoo many when you solo.
From my limited experience, it's also the most redundant class right now. Meaning that skill doesn't matter all that much, just the DPS. The core of any group, is, or at least should be, the GF and the DC. If those two are skilled, you only need one of another class to be decent, and two able to not screw things up.
Unfortunately, I'm probably one of the latter, so I think it's best for all parties concerned I stick with 'rouge', and not have people rely on me for their health.
Allow me to be the **** and ask what does "cc" stand for?
What Class Are You?
What Class Are You?
Not in this game, in this game Rogue's are actually pretty good CCers. Which makes it even better, experienced players dont really avoid Rogues, they play all classes.
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I prefer DPS classes. I'm a so-so tank, and I absolutely suck at support classes. My forte in CoH was figuring out Scrapper builds that could solo Archvillains (Epic Boss, not meant to be soloed).
The Rogue is right up my alley. I might try out a Guardian Fighter too. Will probably avoid Control Wizards and Devoted Clerics, just not my preferred playstyle.
The hate probably comes from people who haven't figured out how to neuter the Rogue in PvP yet. EVERY class, when balanced properly, will have something it is helpless against and something that is no challenge to it. Anything else is just unfair to someone.
The easy test to see which classes are the strongest is by how many people play them. These are clearly the most popular classes of the 5. I'd love to see stats on it.