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inmydot
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Those who bought their AD/Founder have a significant advantage over players who didn't. Not to mention that you can't even use them in dungeons, then why PvP?
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The only way I can tell who is a bot or not..
Bots dont use MOUNTS! lol
Now, enjoy your time PVPing against the guy on a level 3 mount who has stacked 5 Greater Tenebrous enchantments on his gear.
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You could always try asking if everyone is here, Bots don't talk either. Its what I do.
But yeah, mounts really need to go, its supposed to be a PvP arena not a pay to win racing game..
Its very frustrating trying to deal with someone who can just roll away hop on his mount and rush to a potion. It doesn't even take time to mount up, its almost instant and you can do it mid fight. Not to mention that a level 3 mount can run across the map before you cap the first point trying to interrupt you, that alone is a huge advantage.
Just like gear differences. Or rogue presence.
Welcome to MMOs where everything brings unbalance to pvp and pvp will never be perfectly balanced. Mounts are fine, just because you don't have one doesn't mean its OP. Oh and you can get them if you are active for free, like I did with 3k zen horse.
No, it's not the same as differences in gear or class. There's no monetary element to those advantages. You want better gear? Well you're earning glory from the PvP match, so you'll eventually close that gap or surpass is. You want a better class? Well re-rolling is free! You want a better mount? Then you either have to pay up or you're screwed. You can not use the "you can earn everything with AD" bandage to dissuade every argument against the flawed system. Earning a million AD is not something that you can do while also focusing on the element of the game you find enjoyable. You can't earn it through PvP. If you do go through the trouble of farming the million, well guess what - you have to employ selfish dungeon tactics (no one is making millions of AD selling gear without needing), do repetitive dailies for a maximum of 24K a day, and literally no spent a cent of AD on any of the other 10 or so Zen items which make you inferior to other players. The funny thing is, none of this would matter if there was a proper way to farm AD. No caps on the amount, no queuing, no dependence of random rolls of loot; just pure farming.
But nope.
Your argument could basically be used to excuse any sort of imbalance in the game, including blatant cheating.
"Well sure his hacking causes imbalance, but so does gear and class choice, welcome to MMOs!"
"Just because you don't have the hacks, doesn't make them OP!"
Utter nonsense.
Of course it is. Everything in life is.
...just consider this game a shareware, you need to pay to get full version.
Utter nonsense indeed, but that is your argument you try to enforce, trying really too hard to undermine mine. I gave you rational explanations, you are the one jumping out with utter nonsense and I can even tell you why: Because you want to focus only on PvP, can't endure the thought that someone who does more tasks in game got advantage over you and you can't make any decent amount of ADs, thats why you want others to be forcefully dragged down to your level, instead of putting some commitment and improving your character.
I won't quit anything. But I will call it a broken system that needs to be fixed, which is exactly what I'm doing. I'm allowed to voice my opinions on the imbalanced nature of PvP. And mounts are the problem.
It doesn't matter if you can pay real money to get gear that others have to work for, because that gear is still reasonably earnable once you hit 60. Asking you to accumulate a million+ AD (not 800K, have no idea where you're getting that number) is not reasonable. It's doable, but earning a billion AD is doable. Earning a trillion is doable. Walking across the sahara desert is doable. None of it is practical, none of it is fun, and none of it makes PvP a more compelling, skillful experience for the people who enjoy it. That should be the primary focus. Making the PvP fun, rewarding, and fair.
Well as long as we're making assumptions about each other now, here's what I can gather from talking to you. It's clear you want imbalanced PvP because you're not good enough to play without the advantage. What you call being "forcefully dragged down" actually translates to, "having to develop some sort of skill since my expensive item is no longer carrying me through matches". And don't talk to me about "commitment". Do you know what these zen items are badges of? "Hey, I want to pay to skip the content of your game. Somehow this makes me a more worthwhile member of the community." And you have the nerve to bring up commitment? Laughable.
And what exactly is wrong with only wanting to play PvP and having an equal footing in the actual mode you want to be committed to? That makes perfect sense to me. You aren't forced to do PvP in order to earn awesome PvE items. No one says, "Hey, you better go PvP if you want to have this thing that gives you a clear advantage over people who only PvE."
What they should do, is add a pvp mount of some kind. They could even make a rentable epic for glory.
So stop whine if don't like get one if lazy spending time get in zen shop for real money and support game devs.
If you aren't earning Astral Diamonds through doing Dailies and not through professions, then you're exclusively earning them through AH? But you also say you do it without selling equipment from other classes? Do you mind if I ask how? Once greed-rolls become Bind on Pickup, I have no idea how I'm supposed to earn anything. I just can't imagine how you can possibly get that much Astral Diamonds just from selling the occasional gear that is both for your class and something you don't need. Tell me how to get the monies.
No threads don't need to be closed just because you disagree with the message. There's numerous threads about every topic on the forum. That's how forums work. Oh and, "Either accept imbalanced gameplay or pay money to have the unfair advantage" is a ridiculous argument. For one thing, the gameplay is still imbalanced even if you are the one taking advantage of it. For people who value gameplay based on skill and talent (not you), then this is bad. Apply your last statement to anything else and it would sound ridiculous. "So stop whining about bots, if you don't like getting it get one!"
I have a mount tyvm. I just dislike the unbalance that it brings, especially being a TR where I can't do anything against people mounting cause I have no ranged cc.
If the gear is reasonably earnable at 60, so are ADs, because gear is BoP pand you can sell it. That is how I got my zen mount without spending anything. Wanted to get 4k zen one, settled with 3k zen one.
And where did I took 800k, lets see, 500 zen cost about 170k ADs, multiply it by 6 and... um.... ok, you win, but its still pretty doable. If I managed to start as normal F2P player and get the mount before 1 month, everyone can.
Oh and I need to calm you down a bit here, because you know, you are walking "utter nonsense" plane again.
Moreover you are, for some unknown to me reason, thinking that PvP is in any way focus of the game. Well, it isn't, not now at least, thats why there is just a handful of rewards from it, two maps and absolutely no attempts at balancing anything other then seriously gamebreaking exploits. You are also for some reason think that PvP should be fair, in a level based MMO that puts extremely heavy weight on gear. This is where you are being confused. I don't know a single mmo that had balanced pvp, only ones who had it fun.
Yep, I definitely can't play without my IWIN cleric and GWF. I surely don't need anything to carry me, but if I earned something that gives me advantage over you I see no reason why I would be restricted to use it. We could take that argument to using pvp potions and not and end up at same conclusion, I've got it, you don't, you want it taken from me. Sure, if people want to trade Zen for ADs and get everything off AH, well, let them, if that is what gives them fun, they'll suck anyway. I have got everything, zen items including just by playing the content, give me ONE RATIONAL reason why I wouldn't be allowed to use what I've got? Again, I haven't spent a single euro on the game.
And did I say anything is wrong with it?
People going only PvP are fine.
People going only PvE are fine.
People throwing their money mindlessly at PWE are fine.
What isn't fine is expecting player X who goes for most narrow part of the content to be on equal footing with player Y who does all the given content in any other way then equal skill.
And regarding your last sentence, its EXACTLY what is happening, people go PvP to get free gear to PvE better, therefore fresh 60s are getting clear advantage over people playing PvE only. Congratulations, you have just committed suicide with your own argument.
I'm doing all of it, dailies(mainly PvP, because this is the only reasonable one), professions(shirts and pants), and AH(buying from people who give things for free, putting it back for higher price, waiting more then 1 day and still having item sold) and selling drake items/T2 gear.
TBH I can't really imagine how it will be when gear will be BoP, but unless you can provide me dev post confirming it, I doubt in it happening.
@about people escaping on mounts:
Why do you think they shouldn't be allowed to do that? You've made him run, you already won. Last time I've checked PvP here was about holding points, not amassing kills.
well, it is racing, not horses but to capture the tower, so yea it is racing, still it is not a P2W because PvP is not main feature on the game. but .... I do agree, horses need to be exiled form pvp, or remove the "indomitable while riding horses" part.