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Running away, regen points, and the problem they cause with pvp
whiteravin308
Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 7 Arc User
i have started to notice in the past week that players in PvP will start picking fights only to flee from them. at first this seemed to be only an annoyance one rogue choosing to run because he lost the element of surprise. no big deal right i mean he is just gonna recover and try it again. and eventually he will get into a fight he can't run from. but it seems that everyone is now picking up this straightway. basically pick a fight on a point you want to take or defend, when the other person starts fighting back run away to the nearest regen point and go in again. because you decided to run first if the person tries to chase you down they will never be able to close the gap enough and if they do they can only score one hit before your back on the move. and if they stay you can continuously assail them with full health thus slowly wearing them down. if only one or two people were did this it wouldn't be a problem but now entire teams are using this as there line one tactic. culminating in a pvp match today with zero,that's right ZERO! kills for ether team. when pvp degenerates to who can run away quicker it ceases to be fun. if you want to take or defend an objective that means that you should have to stick to that point even if you are not in completely favorable situations.
i can only think of a few way to fix this and granted they all have problems. first give a bonus to the capture speed for every defender who leaves the point when it is being attacked, and conversely have the capture set back for every attacker who leave the capture zone. or they could remove the heal points on the maps so even if a player chooses to flee they wont be able to perpetually assault a point at full health. or lastly implement a mechanic that makes it harder for players to flee in the first pace.of the three removing the in zone heal points creates fiewer new problems but there are other ways to heal in pvp so it might not fix the situation.
something needs to be done about this. cowardliness should not be the leading pvp tacit
i can only think of a few way to fix this and granted they all have problems. first give a bonus to the capture speed for every defender who leaves the point when it is being attacked, and conversely have the capture set back for every attacker who leave the capture zone. or they could remove the heal points on the maps so even if a player chooses to flee they wont be able to perpetually assault a point at full health. or lastly implement a mechanic that makes it harder for players to flee in the first pace.of the three removing the in zone heal points creates fiewer new problems but there are other ways to heal in pvp so it might not fix the situation.
something needs to be done about this. cowardliness should not be the leading pvp tacit
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So let me shorten the story here. This person sucks at pvp and wants to nerf how players play so this person can cope with hit and run strategy?
No how about this, anticipate where your enemy is going to go, if you think they are going to try to flee, close their escape route don't leave them any place to run. Is that too hard of a concept to grasp? If a player is fleeing from you it is called strategic retreat. Only an idiot stands in a fight knowing it can not win it. You pull back, regroup and heal up and go in for another volley. Oh but that is too hard for you, so you want to punish other players instead?
Well tell you what, your idea wouldn't work and a few days later you would be crying over your idea. Want to know why? Because think about you being on the side who just lost the point? Oh look your enemy can chase you down faster than you can run away. Aww you got ganked by a fast moving defensive group. Now you will start complaining that the defenders shouldn't be able to move faster than a person trying to take the point.
Your suggestion = fail.
All fair in love & wars.
Breaking off from fight is much harder at level 60 PvP as you can easily die with just one series of powers from a single enemy player.
Besides, game is not won with kills, so maybe you should be less obsessed with them? This game mode is about controlling 3 points, not about killing the other team.
Oh, and new sentence starts with a capital letter.
When you take a base, it is do or die. Capture it if u can if not u kite for as long as possible on the base to contest for as long as possible to prevent enemy team gaining points. For as long as an enemy is running away and trying to find health he is out of the fight making it easier for my team to capture another base or defend from the now lesser manned team. <='.'=>
This is like complaining that people are capturing nodes in domination o.O
I'm not confident enough to survive a 2 - 5 vs. 1 type of match, so I run away. I take towers that are defenseless, and if I see someone coming my way, I'm cool with that. I'll take the challenge and try to beat my opponent. If 2 opponents are coming my way, the natural thing to do in order to be more productive when it comes to taking towers and plugging the opponent's point gain is to stay alive and watch the movements and behaviors of your opponents; that means go for stealth, run away. There is nothing to gain by fighting a match you will lose by defending a tower. But there are also times when keeping 4 - 5 of your opponents busy in one tower is a viable strategy for your teammates to take over another tower that is currently lacking the attention of your opponents. I'd gladly faceroll myself over to my opponents and annoy the heck out of them while they guess where I'm hitting them in their own base tower.
While it's true that these TR tactics may be underhanded, or can be considered as cowardly, but in hindsight, it also falls under the responsibility of our opponents if they let us get away. We should not be blamed for playing strategically, nor should we answer for the negligence of players who are not able to catch us while we retreat.
I agree that picking your fights is important and i don't have a problem with people trying to get outta fights they can not possibly win.
However when there are matches where the both teams spend the entire time avoiding each other isn't really PvP. I don't have a problem with people trying to regroup. My problem is people use the healing spots combined with the fact that once someone starts running it is extremely hard to stop them to to attack and defend points with no consequence.
I have a lvl 60 Wizard and i am aware that it is possible to kill someone near instantly with the right setup. and yes i have the best ability to stop people from running, and still if someone decides to straight turn and run it is imposable to keep them in attack range. and as i pointed out earlier with the in zone heal points they can just heal up and come at me again and again however long it takes.
If someone gets into a fight there should be some consequence for that. As it stands always choosing to run is the best option because it holds no consequences.
I find it specially hilarious when 2 to 3 of the enemy over commit and chase me around the map while I let my team do the capping. Play to win.
So sick of muppets rushing off to no mans land trying and get the most kills instead of defending a point for the victory. If you want PvP that is about the kills you get this obviously isn't the game for you.
well said. is there a "How to REALLY PvP" thread already?
wouldn't hurt to tell people how domination works and that it is NOT deathmatch
One man's trash is another man's gold. Pure deathmatches are boring unless they are no respawn, IMO.
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But really, people that run back and forth are not scoring for their teams effectively, it needs right kind of mix of fighting and running for the tactic to work. And sometimes dying is the faster way to another flag, it's good to remember that too. But pointless death is pointless, second or two more contesting zone before death is more often better paid in making 10 second potion run and coming back to contest, even more so on a enemy home flag. Besides, if constant 1 man attempts keep 2 enemies tied to 1 flag, there is a good chance remaining 3 are fighting against superior enemy.
My characters are built for 1vs1 fights, I tend to win those quite often, so if I meet lone defender, I try to take him out, and If more than one, I hold them as long as I can before running away, often kiting them off from important points. GWF excels in running bussiness, and rogue is good at winning the duels. Neither can take any serious heat at high levels / endgame though.
your best bet is try to find a tactic that works in the rules that have been set out for you. maybe you can find a way to get the advantage over the hit and runers.