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tcarncetcarnce Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 976 Arc User
edited May 2013 in General Discussion (PC)
when or how is cryptic/pwe going to solve the economy problem ?
will it be after it`s almost sure all exploits are gone, or sooner.
surely i`m not waiting for a wipe ;p but it seems sometimes it `s not a mather of if there will be a wipe, but when.
i also think pwe should flag this game as it is as an alpha state, not beta or open beta.
there`s a lot of money going around in there, with this many exploits it`s almost fair to take a step back to closed beta, and reset all and freeze all zen bought with money.
with this rate of zen dropping, and you see zen requests with 100`s of thousands popping up suddenly at superlow prices.
not that i`m greedy to see a low price, but i guess this leads to a huge drop, below 200ad/zen.
and eventualy maybe lower, but ok, i won`t be reading replys because i know a lot of angry reactions about wipe always :D it`s just to remind pwe where the status of currency is going, which doesn`t only affect players but pwe itself also.
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  • lerdocixlerdocix Member Posts: 897 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    What economy problems?
    The only economy problem there is, is extremely stupid people selling drops for literally free or crafting items for less then materials to make it costs.
    And what is bad about cheap zen? Its players that put the prices.
    tcarnce wrote: »
    and eventualy maybe lower, but ok, i won`t be reading replys because i know a lot of angry reactions about wipe always :D it`s just to remind pwe where the status of currency is going, which doesn`t only affect players but pwe itself also.
    Then why you create a thread you are not going to participate in anyway you <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> troll?
  • gaerolthgaerolth Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users Posts: 289 Bounty Hunter
    edited May 2013
    tcarnce wrote: »
    when or how is cryptic/pwe going to solve the economy problem ?
    will it be after it`s almost sure all exploits are gone, or sooner.
    surely i`m not waiting for a wipe ;p but it seems sometimes it `s not a mather of if there will be a wipe, but when.
    i also think pwe should flag this game as it is as an alpha state, not beta or open beta.
    there`s a lot of money going around in there, with this many exploits it`s almost fair to take a step back to closed beta, and reset all and freeze all zen bought with money.
    with this rate of zen dropping, and you see zen requests with 100`s of thousands popping up suddenly at superlow prices.
    not that i`m greedy to see a low price, but i guess this leads to a huge drop, below 200ad/zen.
    and eventualy maybe lower, but ok, i won`t be reading replys because i know a lot of angry reactions about wipe always :D it`s just to remind pwe where the status of currency is going, which doesn`t only affect players but pwe itself also.

    What's the economy problem? Look, if the economy is garbage then the main currency will become worthless. That's how an economy crashes. Show me this over inflation. Wait? There isn't? Are you talking about the really cheap epics? Do you know why this is happening?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supply_and_demand

    Learn some basic economy. Tier 1 dungeons are easy. Mostly people gear up via pvp anyway but tier 1 is easy. Everyone is already on tier 2. Tier 1 gear can be completed in pugs. Unlike other games Tier gear is gained from 5 man dungeons instead of raids. It's easier to put together 5 people than 40. In a guild of 40 people, in old school mmo's, they would all need to be on at the same time and play together for a shot at tier gear. Now you can theoretically put together 8 groups and gear 8 times as fast. Yes there was an exploit allowing people to do bosses easily but that exploit is gone and prices aren't going up. They're still going down. People are blowing through that content, more people are throwing up epics on the auction house, all the exploit did was speed the process up. The gear being BOE means anyone can purchase zen, play the auction house, get a lucky drop, and purchase a full set of gear. Meaning some people got the gear without needing to actually play the dungeons.

    This speeds the process up even more. There's a bigger supply than demand thus cheap epics. A wipe wouldn't fix this. If you're not talking about cheap epics then I have to laugh because I'm at a loss on what else is wrong with the economy. If the devs wiped the servers they'd have proven to be truly incompetent and it'd have been the most foolish decision ever made. People who think the servers are better off wiped, especially after seeing everything stabilized, should (imo) immediately aim to get their name changed irl to chicken little.
  • andervinandervin Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 35
    edited May 2013
    A Wipe? Are you stupid? People have spent real money on their characters. Wiping them now would be a nightmare of epic proportions. The idea that this is a beta is equally <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font>. Move on.
  • tcarncetcarnce Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 976 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    bye bye market :) dropping below 300 now

    an amazing 285ad/zen ;p gogo i don`t mind market proving the situation
  • warfluxwarflux Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    it is dropping faster than I would like. Not sure a wipe will do anything, though. Also not sure why it's dropping. Maybe people just aren't buying zen right now? Seems there's not much you can really even buy with it that's worth a ****. AD is much better than Zen.
  • tcarncetcarnce Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 976 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    only reason that makes sense is too much ad laying around. and loads of that ad also is traded for zen before exploit went public. so also an overload of zen laying around, crushing the market slowly ;p

    think also it`s a pwe problem now, i don`t know ofcourse what goes around in their money to zen shop. but i guess it already took a big hit because of exploits not taken care of good.
    lot of people think twice with that in mind to spend anything.
    second problem for pwe, why spend money if zen is almost laying free on the streets.

    i don`t enjoy to type this text 100% because i like the game and it means there will be less risk taken on future content.

    edit: if any pwe employee read this, take down gateway also. it`s a great marketing tool, works great for honest people, except for some ad collect bugs then, but that`s not the point i mean right now.
    your gateway internet page is being scripted, automated rAD collectors.
    just as soon as i saw the gateway page for the first time i knew this was going to be an easy exploit.
    you got no one to notice it happening, they can change their timers so it won`t be noticed.
    and yes there is no visual for other players to report it ;p
  • warfluxwarflux Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Come on that is not the only reason that makes sense.
  • tcarncetcarnce Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 976 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    latest news: 255ad/zen

    almost a 100 drop within 24 hours :)
  • rangurenranguren Member Posts: 4
    edited May 2013
    the only plausible solution and make sense, will be a new server. people can do "wipe" by simply restarting in new server, while the one that already "load up" their character here can stay and continue
  • rangurenranguren Member Posts: 4
    edited May 2013
    tcarnce wrote: »
    latest news: 255ad/zen

    almost a 100 drop within 24 hours :)

    wow, if it keep falling everyone can buy Respec token or anything else they want ... :D
  • tcarncetcarnce Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 976 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    ranguren wrote: »
    wow, if it keep falling everyone can buy Respec token or anything else they want ... :D


    yes that`s the good thing hahaha, for the players. not for pwe ;p but i guess they got their milkcow already in.
    they ahould stop dev the game further, enjoy their cow, and we enjoy free zen.

    the consequenses for the brand names pwe/cryptic i don`t know.
  • holt3holt3 Member Posts: 333 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    tcarnce wrote: »
    when or how is cryptic/pwe going to solve the economy problem ?

    Maybe when they release the game.... ?
  • coggagecoggage Member Posts: 99 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    tcarnce wrote: »
    latest news: 255ad/zen

    almost a 100 drop within 24 hours :)
    Excellent!
  • kasuharikasuhari Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 2 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Another wipe topic? Are you serious? Do you have a problem understanding or something? PW already said there will be no wipe. Just get over it already. Stop beating a dead horse to death.
  • rangurenranguren Member Posts: 4
    edited May 2013
    tcarnce wrote: »
    yes that`s the good thing hahaha, for the players. not for pwe ;p but i guess they got their milkcow already in.
    they ahould stop dev the game further, enjoy their cow, and we enjoy free zen.

    the consequenses for the brand names pwe/cryptic i don`t know.

    yea, true, that was a very good thing (for us I mean :D) that will make the options more clear:
    1. easy money? buy some zen with real money for stuff and the rest exchange to AD
    2. hard player with no expenses? play hard, get a bunch of AD, exchange to zen
  • tcarncetcarnce Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 976 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    there`s a lot of ad/zen moving at the moment lol, all in small numbers, but it`s a load when added up.
    it`s back to 300 also, but hahaha. curious what`s going to happen next

    edit: back to 330. crazy ;p

    guess people are playing the exchange too ;p did it also a bit while it was so weird, made a couple of ad ;p. not giving further info ;p
    it`s so playable, but i spend all now on different stuf :D
  • starkaosstarkaos Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    STO has went to 90 for weeks and is now at 130 for their version of Astral Diamonds. The more Astral Diamond sinks in the game, the lower the value.
  • ausdoerrtausdoerrt Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    tcarnce wrote: »
    only reason that makes sense is too much ad laying around.

    False, cheap Zen means a shortage, not a surplus of AD in the system. In other words, too many people are dropping cash on zen and want to buy AD, but the players can't keep up the supply. In other words, the game economy is in excellent state.
  • warpetwarpet Member Posts: 1,969 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    and how low zen price is bad for pwe?first value of founders <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> is better,ppl need to spend more zen to get same amount of ad then before ,f2p playerbase is more happy ,so it is full win for pwe and playerbase to
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