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Righteousness (Cleric self debuff)
ramzay81
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So for those that don't know, the cleric has a mechanic (yes, it's called a mechanic in game) that causes their heals to be 40% less effective on themselves.
Some will say good, especially in PvP.
But seriously, given the current game mechanics of bosses (meaning there are none aside from massive add spawns), this debuff is completely uncalled for (at least in PvE).
Having a cleric in the group guarantees everybody else but the cleric will have dramatically increased survivability. Not because of their heals or their buffs/debuffs, but because the cleric gets pretty much all the aggro. As such, the level of healing on others isn't of a concern to clerics in the know - the only concern a cleric has (once they understand the game mechanics, and the 40% debuff to themselves) is that to keep themselves alive, they need to focus on defense/regen/deflection.
So, on top of grabbing all the aggro as soon as a few adds spawn, the cleric is faced with reduced odds of survival due to this 40% debuff. Not only do the other members of the team get better heals, they get less aggro.
This game mechanic is not fun, not in the least. Whoever at Cryptic thought this to be a good idea needs to be fired. It's just adding insult to injury - my heals mean I get all the aggro and hence, the others on the team take less damage. Even if they do take a bit of damage, they get far better heals than I do.
Do rogues have a debuff causing them to do less damage? Do Wizards have a debuff preventing them from controlling things? Do guardian fighters have a debuff that causes their shield to block less? Why do clerics heal for less on themselves, especially since they're the ones who need it the most (given the massive aggro they get as soon as adds spawn).
This has no place in this game.
Some will say good, especially in PvP.
But seriously, given the current game mechanics of bosses (meaning there are none aside from massive add spawns), this debuff is completely uncalled for (at least in PvE).
Having a cleric in the group guarantees everybody else but the cleric will have dramatically increased survivability. Not because of their heals or their buffs/debuffs, but because the cleric gets pretty much all the aggro. As such, the level of healing on others isn't of a concern to clerics in the know - the only concern a cleric has (once they understand the game mechanics, and the 40% debuff to themselves) is that to keep themselves alive, they need to focus on defense/regen/deflection.
So, on top of grabbing all the aggro as soon as a few adds spawn, the cleric is faced with reduced odds of survival due to this 40% debuff. Not only do the other members of the team get better heals, they get less aggro.
This game mechanic is not fun, not in the least. Whoever at Cryptic thought this to be a good idea needs to be fired. It's just adding insult to injury - my heals mean I get all the aggro and hence, the others on the team take less damage. Even if they do take a bit of damage, they get far better heals than I do.
Do rogues have a debuff causing them to do less damage? Do Wizards have a debuff preventing them from controlling things? Do guardian fighters have a debuff that causes their shield to block less? Why do clerics heal for less on themselves, especially since they're the ones who need it the most (given the massive aggro they get as soon as adds spawn).
This has no place in this game.
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The main nerf bat crusade now under way is to nerf Astral Shield.
Anyone wondering over the shortage of clerics available for dungeon runs need only look in the mirror to know the answer.
Yes, clerics are rare. Until righteousness or cleric aggro is addressed- either one, really- they're just going to get more rare.
It only effects a few minor spells anyways....
Sunburst, Healing Word, Astral (at will proc)
Clerics are fine, aggro is the only problem and that's more of a GWF/GF problem.
With the pot cool downs and aggro, pots aren't enough. Righteousness needs to be altered and preferably removed.
Healer's lore + forsight renders the so called debuff ineffective. Healer's lore gives you 20% bonus healing and forsight when upgraded in feats gives 11% damage reduction. This combined with the 20% damage reduction+healing you get from astral shield renders you almost unkillable.
the only way you could possibly die in PvE is if you stand in the AoE or you dont dodge the enemy attacks.
If the 40% debuff was not there I'm pretty sure I would go from averaging 2 death per PvP game to 0 deaths.
As an MMO player, however, I’ve learned that there’s one golden rule that applies to every party, no matter the game: Protect the healer. The healer is someone who keeps the rest of the group alive and provides a crucial advantage during fights. Alas, for all its worth, it’s a frail class – because it has to be, otherwise healers would be critically overpowered not only in PvP, but also in PvE. You don’t run dungeons solo for a reason. You have to rely on others and that’s truer for a cleric than for anyone else. The debuff helps to keep things balanced and (dare I say it) challenging, something this game frequently lacks. Healers shouldn’t be invincible pillars of life. To be sure, neither should they be the automatic target of every cockroach that happens to crawl from beneath a stone. Something has to be done there.
A cleric alone has a much harder job. Keeping your team alive and yourself while running in circles to avoid getting smacked in the face by adds isnt that easy.
Than again im still pretty new to lvl 60 content.
Just remove righteousness but make all our heals weaker, not only for us, FOR EVERYONE. The game is easy enough to be able to avoid 80% of the damage you take. Period.
In the process you could also fix Heal's threat aoutput. It feels like it's at 400%.
Gotta love dead peeps crying for the nerf on heals. Gotta love it.
When people say "if clerics didn't have righteousness they would be unkillable" I ROFL and i can't stop.
They don't even realise that a GF or Rogue with AS or a cleric spamming a simple HW on them every 6 seconds is already unkillable, but they complain about the cleric.... riiiiiiight.
Forums making sense. Love 'em.
I want this class in NW.
Let me buy myself a Cat with... oh wait it costs AD.
Let me buy an Ioun St... <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font>, it costs bars.
A mount? Zen (a.k.a. AD)
You know what? I will buy myself 10 cleric companions, 10 mans at arms and 50 slowpoke horses. Like 10 of each colour to be fancier.
I want this class in NW.