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Would anyone else like traps to do more damage?
keeganfox
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I'd like to see them be at least scale with level in PvE dungeons, but I'd also like the ability to edit their damage level for foundry missions to make them have the ability to One-Hit-Kill players, so rogues have a purpose past "Kill everything".
Or giving guardian fighters a role of walking first to set off (and block) all traps that the rogue doesn't see.
Or giving guardian fighters a role of walking first to set off (and block) all traps that the rogue doesn't see.
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There's also no manner I have found in the Foundry to take a standard item (tile, whatever) and have it trigger direct damage to a player.
can see em defuse em avoid em
We can add options, but given my experiences with both traps and discussions with those in the game, most people ignore them as they just don't do enough to be a concern.
We're very proud of you; but it raises the question: If you couldn't see them unless you were a Rogue, would your feelings change?
Monsters should just be flagged as immune to them.
There should be weak traps and there should be "OMG I Just got killed in a single shot!" traps.
I would love to see the trap system receive some loving from the developers. This includes expanding thieving to include lock-picking and fail chances although I would personally prefer the Second Edition system over the min-max nonsense we see in Third Edition.
Monsters should be immune, reduced damage or attempt to avoid traps*
They set them. They shouldn't be walking/standing on them.
Now, if they can make good enough AI so the monsters simply don't step on the traps, great, but traps should hurt anyone that sets foot in them.
Having them react differently to monsters would probably be necessary. How differently would have to be a game mechanic choice decided by the devs.
It's nice to see people do want them to be a real threat in the game. I'd especially like to see ones that could deal a dosage of lethal poison, but not kill instantly. Maybe debilitate, so the person is stunned, on the ground, and dying, but not dead. Have the cleric 'bless' or cleanse them.
Suppose you'd also need an option to drag them out of the trap...I don't know that I've tested what happens if you're revived atop of a trap. That'd be rather annoying wouldn't it? *trap goes off* "URRRGHHH"...."I'll save you!" *stand up* "URRRGHGHH" "I'll save you!...."
I agree, as traps are now, they are thrown in as window dressing since they are expected in D&D, but serve no real purpose, even rogues stop taking the time to disable them they are so negligible. If they are going to be pointless, remove them, a trap that isn't deadly is just wasting our time. If however they become deadly, then you start making interesting decisions about how to deal with them. Got a rogue? Disarming is good. Got a GF? Have him trigger it with his shield up, or GWF trigger it with his Determination running. Or try jumping past if you think you'll make it. Those are compelling traps. What we have now are just red spot clutter to remind us traps are supposed to be in dungeons, like the devs were just filling out the dungeon builders checklist, but without serving any meaningful purpose.
PS: You get in deep regarding AI and whether a monster should or shouldn't recognize a trap, a monster with human like intelligence might, a spider or wolf wouldn't, kobolds and goblins it becomes real iffy since they are usually fairly stupid creatures. I would keep traps harming monsters, and just call it tactics when they are used against the mobs. If it becomes exploitable on a dungeon boss or two, isolate and fix those issues specifically.
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I think one shot traps are fine, not all of them, but there should be some, especially since there are campfires in dungeons and quest areas every 5 feet it seems. I think there should be setups where one trap leads you into another, like jumping over the spike trap lands you into a pit trap (there should be pit traps), there also needs to be traps that push, pull, slide players off cliffs and ledges, or into other traps unless dodged. Really get sadistic with it, as it is now, the traps feel sprinkled in where "they should be" again like its a part of a checklist, not actually the design of a predator or psychopath who intended to kill intruders/trap prey with them.
Traps are great elements of D&D, but NWO has absolutely nothing to do with D&D. It's a DPS focused Hack & Slash MMO.
As soon as I try to disarm a trap which is near mobs and I get drawn into combat, I can no longer disarm them - this while soloing.
In a group, if any of my team-members is engaged in combat, I cannot disarm traps either.
So, if you allow me to disarm traps while I am in combat, then by all means make the damage from them bigger.
I think traps are really annoying when used randomly through a dungeon... If the traps were used strategically to kill NPCs is one thing but most are just randomly scattered around as annoying gotchas.
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It'd be harder to implement based on what I've seen of the foundry and replaying missions. Right now it seems everything is static. If you replay a mission, it's exactly the same, every time. I'd prefer dynamic content changes. Dynamic based on chance, and dynamic based on the class of the player. We already have foundry missions that make things 'appear' if a player has a certain skill. It'd be nice if the dungeon could tell who is playing and adjust elements based on the classes and skills of the players. This is clearly a massive update I'm talking about, so let's not get too much into that. All I'd like to see from this is the ability for traps to be more random through the map (instead of that some slightly-different-colored tile that's there every time) and perhaps only detectable by certain classes/races of certain levels, based on the damage. All those values would have to be figured out, and applied to the traps during the creation of the instance, but there's really nothing stopping that from happening apart from the time it would take to implement it.
It'd be the first thing I've seen resembling a Dungeon Master, which would be nice in a game based off D&D.