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tormentcake
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Seriously, it's that bad.
More often than not, if it's not the gear that wins it, it's CW+C ratio more than anything.
Not to mention the reward system; half of the time you defend points and chase away multiple targets to get absolutely nothing, while the two twats defending a single post vs. the same guy kamikaze'ing into them gets the top score (oh yay blue item to waste a scroll on, I know..)
Ironically, most of the time I've carried games I wasn't first place, but barely in the top 5. I hate to hearken back to something we've all played, but it took that particular game YEARS to get PvP right.
It's nice that winning matters, but the whole K/D/A aspect is kind of ridiculous and out of place. Why doesn't damage dealt have the biggest weight? It's like entering a dungeon and only looking at the trash skill number as a measure of efficacy. It's ridiculous.
"But guys, it's not a PvP game!" Maybe not to some, but to others it sure as hell is. NWN has historically, at least every single game before this one with NWN in its title, has been rather strong in PvP with the original game having PvP ladders and everything.
So, to make this criticism somewhat constructive let me give some of the problems with this game with proposed solutions:
1. CW spammable ranged CC (vs. limited CC breaking cooldown)
Solution: Strongly diminishing returns
2. CW/Ranged domination on hold points, especially on pillars.
Solution: Make points merely require an active presence capping them and not physically require them to be directly in an area. It also wouldn't hurt to make GWF and TR more mobile than they currently are, heck give GF another charge while you're at it.
There's plenty else to suggest, like larger health pools, or some stat to mitigate damage in PvP to do away with the insta-gibs, but eh..
More often than not, if it's not the gear that wins it, it's CW+C ratio more than anything.
Not to mention the reward system; half of the time you defend points and chase away multiple targets to get absolutely nothing, while the two twats defending a single post vs. the same guy kamikaze'ing into them gets the top score (oh yay blue item to waste a scroll on, I know..)
Ironically, most of the time I've carried games I wasn't first place, but barely in the top 5. I hate to hearken back to something we've all played, but it took that particular game YEARS to get PvP right.
It's nice that winning matters, but the whole K/D/A aspect is kind of ridiculous and out of place. Why doesn't damage dealt have the biggest weight? It's like entering a dungeon and only looking at the trash skill number as a measure of efficacy. It's ridiculous.
"But guys, it's not a PvP game!" Maybe not to some, but to others it sure as hell is. NWN has historically, at least every single game before this one with NWN in its title, has been rather strong in PvP with the original game having PvP ladders and everything.
So, to make this criticism somewhat constructive let me give some of the problems with this game with proposed solutions:
1. CW spammable ranged CC (vs. limited CC breaking cooldown)
Solution: Strongly diminishing returns
2. CW/Ranged domination on hold points, especially on pillars.
Solution: Make points merely require an active presence capping them and not physically require them to be directly in an area. It also wouldn't hurt to make GWF and TR more mobile than they currently are, heck give GF another charge while you're at it.
There's plenty else to suggest, like larger health pools, or some stat to mitigate damage in PvP to do away with the insta-gibs, but eh..
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Maybe the +300 can be scaled based on your contribution in that area in the time preceding the cap. Something like 300 * (your damage done + damage taken + time spent on cap) / (highest contribution).
Nobody is blaming people who go afk because of real life, they're blaming the people who spam Zone chat with things like "LF2M AFK PvP party." These people intentionally join PvP games and go afk, because they still get the rewards.
Have to agree with both of you: Either it has to be removed (I strongly agree with Xaradevries that it ought to be, since the outcome is the most important factor), or made much more sophisticated.
Imagine if LoL were entirely stat based... good luck getting anybody to play anything, but carry.
2-3 of them ganking up on me, yeah I am going to die, 2-3 of any 1 class ganking up on anyone they die too.
I've received blue items as 1st, and winning in a game being dead last on the score board. Don't really see what the big deal is.
I do and will
I give up to help end it sooner.
In fact, I'm AFK right now fixing another drink. Don't kick me..
I understand the frustration over some aspects of PvP being unbalanced right now, but entering and then going AFK just punishes those of us who want to play.
Also, people now have a work around the auto-kick when inactive. What they do now is just face the wall and auto-run, and then afk. Unbelievable.
But what buggs me is when i see this rogue doing on me 30k crit at lvl 58. Man is this normal? I have 18k hp, i'm a cleric. In normal situations it happened that i could tank for a good amount of time a base against 3 playes, happened even against 4, while my team was owning the other 2 bases....is a strategy cos most of the guys outthere are chasing the cleric as the one to take down because of his heals. They don't think my team can manage survive and this kind of pvp is not about kills, is about base points ownership.
So yeah, i have good resistance/endurance in pvp and i know very well my class. But what drive me nuts is being killed in 1 shot by this TR because he crit 30-35k. Is just NOT NORMAL! And at lvl 58 he does not have pvp gear. Is not fun att all....what is the point of doing a pvp match if once i land on the area he push a button and i'm dead, and his team mates just stand there doing nothing.
Now free to trolls to jump and rant!
Defensive stats don't matter in PvP, you could be a GF with full defense and over 30k HP and a TR is still going to 1 shot you with a crit.
and you think is normal.......!!!!!???!!
No, in my opinion offensive values need to be dropped a bit while increasing defensive values, as well as individual skill balances such as different cool downs, bases, etc for PvP only. Right now TRs are 1 shotting, CWs instagib with easy combos and if a team has a DC and the other does then well guess who wins, seems to be issues with GWF skills easily being canceled too.
That's freakin' ridiculous people! You screw over the rest of your team mates. PVP in this game is a team sport. If you aren't going to give it 100% stay out of the queue.
What skill? I'm not aware of anything in the game that can one-shot you from 30k HP as GF and some semblance of defense.
If you're talking about shocking execution, it functions like execute in WoW; it's not a skill you use when somebody is full health as nearly half of its potential damage is derived from your missing hp.
One-shot implies from full-health to 0. Can a CW even do that? I've never been one-shot (two-shot, quite often) and I'm a TR.
As for the rest of you... this post was not about AFKing per se, but the poor state of PvP (in my opinion) at the moment.
Ok, what skill did he use?
Do you have any screenshots, or logs to corroborate that? I've never seen it happen. Not on a guardian fighter that wasn't naked.
You must be freaking HAMSTER. I can't believe what I just saw. Buff TRs? Are you joking? They have the best Single target DPS, can get immune to any form of CC for a while, their dodge is the same as the CW teleport, they can disable you, They can get invisible and STILL ATTACK YOU and finally, they got the highest burst damage.
GF are not meant to be DPS, they are meant to be the annoying guy that you just don't want to bother killing. Which is what they already are. Their block ability is simply retardedly strong. I personally don't even bother with them unless there is nobody else to kill around. They are just a big waste of time to kill.
Really, you just sound like you got screwed for being bad and are now butthurt.
Oh, and as for people being afk, They simply need to change the scoring system and make it so Winning and losing give the least glory and DOING **** gives the most.
Don't play TR (yet) so unsure what it would be called.
Yeah, those are the only times i'll go afk. Had a match today where all but me and one other dropped. A little bit another joined, so it was 3 to 5. When someone asked why we weren't fighting back, we told them, and got called names. If there is zero chance to even live long, it makes no sense to feed them kills. Sometimes just to keep busy i'll attempt to do something, only to be killed in a couple hits.
Aww, that's adorable.
Now run along and play some CoD.
that is in every game, thats like totaly normal for every mmorpg.
wk to pvp
I mean even with a half decent team your looking at 10 mins minimum of repetitive backwards and forwards, most games averaging 15mins and boring you to tears.
So 30 - 40 mins of tear inducing blandness for your daily? uuurrgghh..
And for what anyway? its only another facet of the game thats broken, ive got guild members maxed out at 25k Glory already so in turn making any Glory items pretty much worthless...