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New Player with a new GWF
breidr
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So, as stated, I'm obviously new, and After running the tutorial and a couple of starter quests with each class I settled on fighters. I'm going to be leveling my GWF first. Right now I'm sitting at level 10 and I have spent no points in anything. Without the option of a respec (for in-game currency) I'm hesitant because I know I'll make broken choices. Usually I'd do this and respec later after I figure out what works and what doesn't, but I don't have that luxury here.
So far the GWF is exactly what I've expected and I'm enjoying being a Dwarf with a sword bigger than he is (although I'm sad I can't get a Great Axe). I'm not so sure how to allocate points and what not, I've seen some builds posted, but I don't want to just blindly follow a build without knowing what's up. This has to be one of the more complex character build systems I've seen (at least it looks this way). Last MMO I played was LOTRO, and it was much easier to say the least.
I guess I can start by asking if there are any "must haves" that are common among GWFs? That could get me a nice base going. I'm also curious how to invest my attribute points, as I have one of those lying around. I'm really not sure what else to say here as I have little knowledge of the inner working of the system.
So far the GWF is exactly what I've expected and I'm enjoying being a Dwarf with a sword bigger than he is (although I'm sad I can't get a Great Axe). I'm not so sure how to allocate points and what not, I've seen some builds posted, but I don't want to just blindly follow a build without knowing what's up. This has to be one of the more complex character build systems I've seen (at least it looks this way). Last MMO I played was LOTRO, and it was much easier to say the least.
I guess I can start by asking if there are any "must haves" that are common among GWFs? That could get me a nice base going. I'm also curious how to invest my attribute points, as I have one of those lying around. I'm really not sure what else to say here as I have little knowledge of the inner working of the system.
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Now as for feats, it's best to pretty much go straight DPS as you'll be an extra toe no one wants on their foot in terms of grouping.
Focus on power/crit/defense mostly in the lower levels, it'll get you through anything, later on, look more into life steal and other 'under rated' stats.
As for feats, focus on damage and crits, anything that can add additional power like 'bonus to power from defense' will help you greatly.
Remember that you are not a 'main tank' but an 'off tank' and while you can take on a large group of mobs, you will always fall short in terms of defense to a Guardian.
You're strong point is group encounters with a lot of monsters to take out, the more you hit, the more powerful you become and the more damage you'll be dishing out.
u clearly know nothing...... nobody cares how class are before lvl60.
Powers tree does, but even without reading guides, you won't do mistakes.
If you are solo and really want to do pve, you should not play GWF, not until people change their mind or that Cryptic does something.
Typical hyperbolic forumite drama queens. /rolleyes
Yes, groups by and large tend to not want GWFs or GFs in their groups but that has nothing to do with the viability behind GFs or GWFs. That problem lies solely at the feet of Cryptic's design of other classes. Double stacking shields shouldn't be happening. I dunno who thought that was a good idea but they need to be swiftly and repeatedly kicked in the daddy bags. Aggro tables need to be addressed.
GWF is loads of fun and unless you're new to MMOs you should be punching yourself in the face for assuming that this will be the lot of GWFs and GFs for all time. What MMO has never changed any aspect of any class ever in their time online? This month GWFs cry they're not being picked for groups. Next month CWs will be crying that their "slots" are being filled solely by GFs and they're being passed over.
It's an endless cycle. Get used to it or gtfo.
One advise, be patient when playing this class, otherwise you will end up like a lot of other people.
After hit to 60, I was like..
You are clearly a rude person, people at level 10 care about low levels.
As for advice and tips:
1. Focus on AoE but make sure you still have at least 1 good attack for single targets since you need it for solo questing (Restoring Strike's damage is great, I like it a lot even though it can feel lackluster on the heal).
2. As for must haves: Once you're able, make sure you pick the daily ability "Slam", you'll never need another daily as a GWF and I suggest you don't put points into any other daily ability (beyond the 1 point you get automatically in the first one).
3. I suggest you don't put points into passive "Destroyer" since it's not too reliable for the most part, unless you can make sure you always fight 3+ enemies, but that's not too easy to do at some points.
4. Leveling is somewhat annoying until you reach level 16, make sure that once you hit 16 you rush and grab your Cleric companion. It's a real life saver overall and will make sure you don't run out of potions very 30 minutes. Also, keep sending the Cleric to train when you're not questing, if its rank falls behind you'll find yourself having to resurrect it all the time.
5. As far as Feats go, just go for the damage dealing ones (including those that allow you to gain more Action points / Determination from the Instigator tree). Don't waste your points in any HP Feats since they really aren't useful at any point.
6. Avoid heavy attacks (such that are telegraphed heavily, especially those that cause Crowed Control effects) but take the minor hits as often as you can since it will build your determination. Use your Unstoppable ability after you used your Encounters and spam your At Wills for a high burst.
Other than those points, I think you've got a free choice. Pick skills you enjoy using and enjoy watching (the animations are awesome!). I'm currently level 26 or so, and using Sure Strike + Wicked Strike as At Wills, and Not So Quick + Leap + Restoring Strike as Encounters, I also use the Crit bonus passive and the Determination bonus passive, and I only use Slam as a daily power since it alllowes you to deal damage passively while you keep spamming your abilities.
So far, at this low level, I find that each dungeon/skirmish I do I end up #1 on the DPS meter, I doubt it's my superb gamer skills, it must be the build and how I use it. Rogues/Wizards can't touch me so far, but everyone are complaining so I guess it comes into play at later stages of the game (but that will probably get fixed, as is the nature of MMOs).
2. Don't take hits if you are not using reaping strike. If you are using damage taken for unstoppable, then at least have the gumption to get more out of it then a measely little tick. Reaping strike can hit on par for damage as some encounters and can yield almost 25% of your determination between the damage and the hit taken. (7 mobs, I think.) The only at will ability that is a bit difficult to get used to is weaponmaster strike. All others are quite forgiving and most of them have a further reach then the mobs themselves.
3. If you have constitution, ya.... don't need much extra HP. Mitigation is kind of tasty.
4. Use unstoppable before your encounters; not after. Some builds will yield a bonus to damage while in unstoppable. Encounters build determination at a good pace, and as such "should be used" to build determination. (duh.) Using your daily power is situational. There are at least 3 rotations for slam. Kill mobs, slow mini-bosses, and full dps rotation. dps rotations have 2 options; fast burn, and burn over time. BoT is for boss fights; which means you go into unstoppable after slam happens, instead of during.
2. Don't take hits if you are not using reaping strike. If you are using damage taken for unstoppable, then at least have the gumption to get more out of it then a measely little tick. Reaping strike can hit on par for damage as some encounters and can yield almost 25% of your determination between the damage and the hit taken. (7 mobs, I think.) The only at will ability that is a bit difficult to get used to is weaponmaster strike. All others are quite forgiving and most of them have a further reach then the mobs themselves.
3. If you have constitution, ya.... don't need much extra HP. Mitigation is kind of tasty.
4. Use unstoppable before your encounters; not after. Some builds will yield a bonus to damage while in unstoppable. Encounters build determination at a good pace, and as such "should be used" to build determination. (duh.) Using your daily power is situational. There are at least 3 rotations for slam. Kill mobs, slow mini-bosses, and full dps rotation. dps rotations have 2 options; fast burn, and burn over time. BoT is for boss fights; which means you go into unstoppable after slam happens, instead of during.
Its a question of how long will it take to fix it.
I'd argue Cryptic pretty much let Champions Online die by not having good group play content at launch, and not within the first 3 months.
This game is in beta, and right now its so-called "tank" classes can't...
The healer class seems to be able to tank/heal at the same time.
If that doesn't get fixed before news of this spreads beyond here and into the general press - the game is dead.
I want to like this game, but I'm holding off putting time into it until I see that they will either A, fix this, or B, toss out the 'trinity' concept and go the same way GW2 has. If you make an MMO with a trinity set of classes, all three roles better have a use...
Yes and no. Sure, they SAY it's beta, yet they also say no more character wipes and they are selling items in the shop.
I can say I'm the king of England, doesn't make it true.
Not trying to be contrary with you, just hate hearing that excuse so much of late. This whole notion of a "soft launch" is something that the online pc game industry needs to dump and dump fast.
I actually agree with all your other points.
I also think its a PR disaster to call it a beta.
I have very little confidence in spending money on the game, as it has the 'beta' label on it. And I'm one who's read that statement of not planning to wipe. How many less informed are staying even further away until it "launches"?
- I do have friends that are "waiting" for the beta to end so they can "come and play for real..." because they don't read every bit of news and don't feel like being testers...
Given the list of exploits I've been reading about in the general forum - it also seems like the idea of having no more wipes is a bad idea... That the game really should still be in an actual beta rather just called beta...
- Things like the problems with fighters, and the exploits we're reading about, those are best found when your playerbase consists of thousands of rabid fans who come in knowing they're there to test stuff and try and break it... and so are not upset when their characters get wiped.
They've tied their hands in ways that will make some fixes hard to do, way too soon in the cycle.
Back on topic though:
Playing warrior types is what I do in these games. Way back when I did table top D&D sure I was almost never the fighter, but as soon as I got to MMOs, and we had a 'tank' in our guild quit the game... got hooked the moment I stepped up to fill the spot. And now even in games without tanks the melee heavy hitter is where I go.
If the GWF and GF are -not- going to be tanks, they will need to get on board very soon with saying this, and making them rock solid melee DPS. If they are supposed to be tanks, then they need to be rock solid there.
- The role for them needs to be made very clear, and it needs to be very effective, or the game will suffer.
And there is a limited window of time to do this.
To the notion of wait for it comes the response of 'for how long'?
- This isn't something like a missing raid or dungeon. Its core basic play, a trinity-based MMO launching with only 2/3rds of the triangle drawn.
uh just maybe, but only maybe. TRs atwills do 3times more dmg than GWF (at +- same GS). but as u say GWF is totaly fine.
u lvl to 60 in around 30hours of game time. but u will totaly spend much more time AT 60 - therefore the lvling is irrelevant
Just because some people don't care about leveling, doesn't mean all don't.
I strongly believe improvements are on the way for the fighter classes especially the GWF. How long that will be is a big unknown but the lead producer, while dancing around with his words, knows that the class isn't in a great place right now.
So my advice is play what makes you happy to log in and know that if it is the GWF, that end game is not good for him right now, but changes should be coming somewhere on the horizon.
Extinction - GWF