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Confirmation: Bind on Need wins?

bringerofreddawnbringerofreddawn Member Posts: 109 Bounty Hunter
edited May 2013 in General Discussion (PC)
Just wanted to make sure that I'm not crazy...
Ran a few dungeons today (one epic and one normal), won an item from each on a Need roll (yes, it was for my class) and both items are bound to character.
Can someone confirm that this is the new setting? See nothing about it in patches and afaik only started happening this weekend.
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  • mconosrepmconosrep Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Hope this is true......
  • nemonusnemonus Member Posts: 102
    edited May 2013
    bringerofreddawn wrote: »
    Just wanted to make sure that I'm not crazy...
    Ran a few dungeons today (one epic and one normal), won an item from each on a Need roll (yes, it was for my class) and both items are bound to character.
    Can someone confirm that this is the new setting? See nothing about it in patches and afaik only started happening this weekend.

    So now instead of making AD for Auction House, they make gold instead.

    Wow, really showed them.
  • bringerofreddawnbringerofreddawn Member Posts: 109 Bounty Hunter
    edited May 2013
    nemonus wrote: »
    So now instead of making AD for Auction House, they make gold instead.

    Wow, really showed them.

    Nah, this should work to kill most ninja-looting and fix some minor problems (like making it possible to get items for other classes even if there's a member of that class on the team because they will often roll greed as well).
    Who the hell needs 1 gold?
  • warpetwarpet Member Posts: 1,969 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    if this is true it is stupid system...so ppl whit gear dont need to play dungeons for what should i play dungeons if not for loot ?to help leechers to get epic gear?
  • mconosrepmconosrep Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Perhaps NEEDed item should therefore be bound to character and unsellable even for gold then.
  • therealtedtherealted Member Posts: 31 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    bringerofreddawn wrote: »
    Nah, this should work to kill most ninja-looting and fix some minor problems (like making it possible to get items for other classes even if there's a member of that class on the team because they will often roll greed as well).
    Who the hell needs 1 gold?
    One gold is still better than zero gold. This wouldn't change anything - especially when you consider that games with bind-on-acquire have as many complaints about ninja looters as this one.

    In fact, this may make things slightly worse - if someone auctions an item, at least it probably goes to someone who can use it. Under this rule, items are just so much vendor vapor.
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  • bringerofreddawnbringerofreddawn Member Posts: 109 Bounty Hunter
    edited May 2013
    warpet wrote: »
    if this is true it is stupid system...so ppl whit gear dont need to play dungeons for what should i play dungeons if not for loot ?to help leechers to get epic gear?

    Um...you roll greed with everyone else. If someone actually needs all the items that were thrown out by the boss...well, you got unlucky.
    I usually see 1/10 or 1/20 items that I can actually use with my build since it comes down to a single set from about 4 and then we have multiple classes...
  • jn2002dk1jn2002dk1 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    warpet wrote: »
    if this is true it is stupid system...so ppl whit gear dont need to play dungeons for what should i play dungeons if not for loot ?to help leechers to get epic gear?
    No this is the system that's used in other major mmos to prevent greedy people like you from ruining other peoples dungeon runs
  • warpetwarpet Member Posts: 1,969 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    i will roll need for everything then and earn me gold....
  • nemonusnemonus Member Posts: 102
    edited May 2013
    jn2002dk1 wrote: »
    No this is the system that's used in other major mmos to prevent greedy people like you from ruining other peoples dungeon runs

    And it will work about as well as it did in all those other "major mmos". Not at all.
  • warpetwarpet Member Posts: 1,969 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    jn2002dk1 wrote: »
    No this is the system that's used in other major mmos to prevent greedy people like you from ruining other peoples dungeon runs

    how do i ruin it if i roll need for items for my class?
  • jn2002dk1jn2002dk1 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    warpet wrote: »
    how do i ruin it if i roll need for items for my class?
    If you're rolling need for an item you already have or don't need and someone else in the group could actually use it as an upgrade you're ruining it for that person

    Sure you might lose out on being able to sell an item no one in your groups needs but this system is needed because of the rampant greed in dungeons at the moment
  • jn2002dk1jn2002dk1 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    nemonus wrote: »
    And it will work about as well as it did in all those other "major mmos". Not at all.
    I bow to your extremely well presented and thought out point...

    It worked a lot better in those mmos than the current system here
  • warpetwarpet Member Posts: 1,969 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    jn2002dk1 wrote: »
    If you're rolling need for an item you already have or don't need and someone else in the group could actually use it as an upgrade you're ruining it for that person

    Sure you might lose out on being able to sell an item no one in your groups needs but this system is needed because of the rampant greed in dungeons at the moment
    they just ruined it for me ,no point of playing now dungeons if i cant get items for my class and then they made chest items bound to since i get 3 bound rings from it y day:( so no more pve dungeons for me,pve dungeons are now leechers playground now
  • bringerofreddawnbringerofreddawn Member Posts: 109 Bounty Hunter
    edited May 2013
    warpet wrote: »
    they just ruined it for me ,no point of playing now dungeons if i cant get items for my class and then they made chest items bound to since i get 3 bound rings from it y day:( so no more pve dungeons for me,pve dungeons are now leechers playground now

    Why do you need items "for your class" that are not bound?
    Need does not mean "Need to sell on AH for AD and buy other stuff", it means "Need for my build".
  • trocan678trocan678 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 65
    edited May 2013
    warpet wrote: »
    if this is true it is stupid system...so ppl whit gear dont need to play dungeons for what should i play dungeons if not for loot ?to help leechers to get epic gear?

    If this is true, it's HAMSTER. Half the items (up to this point for me at least) I see are "unidentified". So how would I know that it's not a duplicate of something I already have unless I win it in a need or greed roll. So if I "need" it as it's a class item, win it and it's a dupe, and now I can't sell it because it's bound...that's HAMSTER.
  • bringerofreddawnbringerofreddawn Member Posts: 109 Bounty Hunter
    edited May 2013
    trocan678 wrote: »
    If this is true, it's HAMSTER. Half the items (up to this point for me at least) I see are "unidentified". So how would I know that it's not a duplicate of something I already have unless I win it in a need or greed roll. So if I "need" it as it's a class item, win it and it's a dupe, and now I can't sell it because it's bound...that's HAMSTER.

    I think this only applied to Rare/Epic items. Although can't confirm.

    Edit: also, people usually pass on uncommons they can't use, especially at higher levels when no one cares about uncommons. So even if you have to roll greed on them...not an issue.
  • robertthebardrobertthebard Member Posts: 543 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    warpet wrote: »
    they just ruined it for me ,no point of playing now dungeons if i cant get items for my class and then they made chest items bound to since i get 3 bound rings from it y day:( so no more pve dungeons for me,pve dungeons are now leechers playground now

    Just so we're clear, what you're saying here is that you leeched your way into what gear you have running PvE dungeons? Need rolls aren't intended to be "need to sell it on the AH" rolls, and obviously, if this fix is in, never were. Otherwise, there would be no need to fix it, yes? Sorry that your get rich quick scheme is ruined, well, not really, but I was raised to be polite.
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  • psiwuffpsiwuff Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    This is an interesting attempt at a fix, but misguided. Items that aren't for your class should simply not be eligible for a need roll, problem solved. Now all the ninjas will continue needing until they realize they can't sell the items any more, and then continue needing to make some gold or just to be trolls. Sure, it'll fix some of the problem, but seeing as this was a stealth change, it will cause issues for a while.
    I'm thinking just limiting what you can need on would have been the better solution here.
  • sasheriasasheria Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    psiwuff wrote: »
    This is an interesting attempt at a fix, but misguided. Items that aren't for your class should simply not be eligible for a need roll, problem solved. Now all the ninjas will continue needing until they realize they can't sell the items any more, and then continue needing to make some gold or just to be trolls. Sure, it'll fix some of the problem, but seeing as this was a stealth change, it will cause issues for a while.
    I'm thinking just limiting what you can need on would have been the better solution here.

    so if they "greed" is it still BoE?
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  • bringerofreddawnbringerofreddawn Member Posts: 109 Bounty Hunter
    edited May 2013
    psiwuff wrote: »
    This is an interesting attempt at a fix, but misguided. Items that aren't for your class should simply not be eligible for a need roll, problem solved. Now all the ninjas will continue needing until they realize they can't sell the items any more, and then continue needing to make some gold or just to be trolls. Sure, it'll fix some of the problem, but seeing as this was a stealth change, it will cause issues for a while.
    I'm thinking just limiting what you can need on would have been the better solution here.

    That's a fine idea but what happens when a ring drops? Everyone will be able to roll need so really you're reducing the problem to items that everyone can use.
  • aeonbluessaeonbluess Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    The vast majority of dungeon runs I have been have been on, are free of ninja looters. There has not been a patch note about the loot system. I have found that at times an item is gathered bound, but it is a rare event and I think that some items are just bugged to be bound on pick up.
  • highlandglenhighlandglen Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 2
    edited May 2013
    warpet wrote: »
    they just ruined it for me ,no point of playing now dungeons if i cant get items for my class and then they made chest items bound to since i get 3 bound rings from it y day:( so no more pve dungeons for me,pve dungeons are now leechers playground now


    oh boohoo go cry some where else you fkin moron.


    Ps; whats your IGN ? is it muppet by any chance.
  • bringerofreddawnbringerofreddawn Member Posts: 109 Bounty Hunter
    edited May 2013
    aeonbluess wrote: »
    The vast majority of dungeon runs I have been have been on, are free of ninja looters. There has not been a patch note about the loot system. I have found that at times an item is gathered bound, but it is a rare event and I think that some items are just bugged to be bound on pick up.

    This is why I wanted a confirmation. Happened twice to me with both Rare and Epic items in both Normal and Epic dungeons...
  • bringerofreddawnbringerofreddawn Member Posts: 109 Bounty Hunter
    edited May 2013
    OK, so semi-confirmed. Ran a few more dungeons last night and all of them had Bind-on-acquire for rares/epics you get from Need rolls.
    I'm not sure why this was ninja-patched in (since I couldn't see it in the patch notes) but seems like useful info to give your group-mates.
  • primerib41primerib41 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 48
    edited May 2013
    This is a bad attempt to fix a bad system. It doesn't work in WoW either. It's still prisoner's dilemma. If you don't care about other people, lowering the reward doesn't really change things.

    Use a co-op loot system like gw2 or WoW's LFR loot.
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