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Isn't Beta about Finding Bugs/Exploits ?

rudboy1018rudboy1018 Member Posts: 6 Arc User
edited May 2013 in General Discussion (PC)
A friends told me that Betas arn't for Bug/Exploits anymore. Developers think they can make more money short term then making constant money long term.

I find it true. Look at Smite/Path of Exile and now Neverwinter forever Betas.

Edit: I haven't been Suspended/Banned just saying Beta Testing means Testing for bugs/Exploits.
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  • ranncoreranncore Member, Moderators, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 2,508
    edited May 2013
    Beta is for finding, reporting, and fixing bugs - not exploiting them for profits that will carry over to the live launch. That kind of behavior gets you banned. I'd prefer it be permanent, but any action is better than no action.
  • wingofbenuwingofbenu Member Posts: 20 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    ranncore wrote: »
    Beta is for finding, reporting, and fixing bugs - not exploiting them for profits that will carry over to the live launch. That kind of behavior gets you banned. I'd prefer it be permanent, but any action is better than no action.

    One could argue thats an argument for wiping at the end of beta.

    Like you're ****ing supposed to.

    But given this is a soft launch, not a real beta, we dont get that option.
  • majtrollxmajtrollx Member Posts: 76
    edited May 2013
    wingofbenu wrote: »
    One could argue thats an argument for wiping at the end of beta.

    Like you're ****ing supposed to.

    But given this is a soft launch, not a real beta, we dont get that option.

    You know fanboys, they love making excuses to justify everything that's wrong with Neverwinter.
  • necrodaggernecrodagger Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    This is kind of between a Beta and a Luunch

    They are still adjusting some stuff, but there will be no character wipe
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  • wingofbenuwingofbenu Member Posts: 20 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    necrodagger wrote: »
    This is kind of between a Beta and a Luunch

    They are still adjusting some stuff, but there will be no character wipe

    Nor any meaningful penalties to exploiters making thousands of real world dollars.
  • stormdrag0nstormdrag0n Member Posts: 3,222 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    I found many bugs, I reported them not used them for my own personal gain, I can promise you that not one cheater who was using the exploits ever reported it.
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  • mconosrepmconosrep Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    wingofbenu wrote: »
    Nor any meaningful penalties to exploiters making thousands of real world dollars.

    Sadly, if all you face for exploiting is a 3-day ban, why would anyone sink any real world money into this game? Just exploit, and even if you caught you can just take a 72hour break doing something else......
  • wingofbenuwingofbenu Member Posts: 20 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    stormdrag0n wrote: »
    I found many bugs, I reported them not used them for my own personal gain, I can promise you that not one cheater who was using the exploits ever reported it.

    and theyre the ones making hundreds of dollars sellin AD to goldsellers and all they got for it was a couple days of not playing Neverwinter.

    I bet they must feel so penalized.
  • saedeithsaedeith Member Posts: 51 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    It isn't just beta that is for finding bugs/exploits. Live serves this purpose as well.

    Regardless of if it is beta/live if you find a bug/exploit, report it and leave it at that or deal with the consequences.
  • wingofbenuwingofbenu Member Posts: 20 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    saedeith wrote: »
    It isn't just beta that is for finding bugs/exploits. Live serves this purpose as well.

    Regardless of if it is beta/live if you find a bug/exploit, report it and leave it at that or deal with the consequences.

    what consequences?

    In what world is a 3 day ban anything but a slap on the wrist?
  • clcmercyclcmercy Banned Users, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 308 Bounty Hunter
    edited May 2013
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  • saedeithsaedeith Member Posts: 51 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    wingofbenu wrote: »
    what consequences?

    In what world is a 3 day ban anything but a slap on the wrist?

    The 3 days/week are probably just a warning. If people get caught multiple times exploiting, then I assume perma bans will be handed out.
  • rapticorrapticor Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,078 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    There's a difference between finding an exploit and farming the ever living HAMSTER out of it.
  • wingofbenuwingofbenu Member Posts: 20 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    rapticor wrote: »
    There's a difference between finding an exploit and farming the ever living HAMSTER out of it.

    theres also a difference between a meaningful punishment and a badly targeted, incompetent slap on the wirst.
  • cetra07cetra07 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    rudboy1018 wrote: »
    A friends told me that Betas arn't for Bug/Exploits anymore. Developers think they can make more money short term then making constant money long term.

    I find it true. Look at Smite/Path of Exile and now Neverwinter forever Betas.

    Edit: I haven't been Suspended/Banned just saying Beta Testing means Testing for bugs/Exploits.

    When PW charges 6 USD for respecing when many powers and feats are bugged
  • jipatsujipatsu Member Posts: 94
    edited May 2013
    Isn't Beta about Finding Bugs/Exploits ?
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  • rapticorrapticor Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,078 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    wingofbenu wrote: »
    theres also a difference between a meaningful punishment and a badly targeted, incompetent slap on the wirst.

    I don't disagree with that. 3 days isn't long enough. I'll give them the "its beta" benefit of the doubt this time. If this were actually fully released I'd hope it would be a lot longer than 72 hours. Doing an exploit one or two (or three) times.. Sure I can see that. Dozens? No chance.
  • ambisinisterrambisinisterr Member, Neverwinter Moderator Posts: 10,462 Community Moderator
    edited May 2013
    There may be bugs in a Beta and if you can find them it would be much appreciated to report them.

    However bugs should never be exploited. Since the characters are live characters (no more wipes) exploiting bugs will result in the same action as exploiting a bug found years from now.

    Please report any bugs you find but under no circumstances should you exploit and abuse them to gain power, advantage or profit.
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