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nectarprime
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Have not heard one yet. How exactly can a virtual economy be ruined when at any time someone could pump thousands of real world dollars in?
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First off, there is no "could" in the recent debacle, it happened. Exploits existed, people used them, people profited.
Secondly, the case of someone buying in is perfectly fine because it's limited, same as how you can make a ton if you ran dungeons 24/7 or really optimized your crafting with 20 characters (like in that one post going around). They're all valid schemes that might put you in a more advantageous position but are relatively rare and increased returns require much higher investment (one of the guys allegedly made $7k, how many people are willing to put a similar amount into the game?)
The problem with exploits is that they have a very low barrier to entry and ridiculously high return. What normally would take thousands of dollars or weeks of 24/7 farming can now be obtained in hours and with no investment.
Having said that, I am not arguing for or against a wipe, while I think that a clean-up is a good idea, doing it in such a way as to not harm "normal" players is impossible or nearly impossible.
He want to keep trolling, but realized the jig is up when people click on his name and see bull**** in action.
One could make that an argument that the economy is constantly ruined, you realize.
Back on topic--- No actual arguments here except insults!
None of you can actually explain to me why the game is "broken" now.
As for my level, I'm almost 40 and I bought the founder pack.
People who are exploiting are just ruining the game for themselves and making prices in the auction house lower. None of their actions affect you in any way, shape, or form beyond that.
A player manages to make 500k AD in 2 hours.
That person converts his AD at a rate of 380 AD per ZEN.
That person just made 1315 ZEN.
The closest amount you can buy is 2,000 Zen for $20.
So that means they just 'didn't have to pay' $19.73 to PWE for 2 hours of work.
If PWE doesn't see $20 as a loss, then that's their perogative. That person just spent 2 hours of ingame time, to save $20. Where I could have spent $20 and gotten everything he did, without the 2 hours of work. I fail to see the fault in that.
The increase in supply of AD lowers the exchange rate of Zen:AD, such that you get more AD for your Zen. That increases the value of real-world money, which benefits both PWE and purchasers.
The only group of people this negatively affects are those who grind AD specifically for the purpose of selling it for Zen.
The exploiters themselves aren't considered here, since they're all supposed to be deleted and banned, it's only the fallout from their actions that concern the rest of us.
Thank you for putting it better than I ever could.
So far everyone who is pro-wipe in this thread has been insulting, rude, and without a point.
As others have pointed out many times, you cannot pump thousands of real world dollars into the economy at any time. All you can do is buy Zen to trade for ADs, which means you are using real world money to buy currency that already exists in the game. Buying Zen does not add currency to the game because you can only buy existing ADs with Zen. It's just a redistribution of existing currency.
The only exceptions to this are founder's pack, which will exist regardless of exploits and will eventually no longer be sold, and idols obtained from lockboxes, which don't exist in high enough quantities to drastically alter the economy.
To sum it up: If people actually took the time to understand how the economy actually works, then less people would be saying silly things like this statement I quoted and/or calling for the servers to be wiped.
Learn to use them, please.
i dont have to,english is not my main language and im quite sure that every1 understand me
Dude, I can't read your posts for the simple fact you don't present them in any legible fashion. I'm sure I'm not the only one. I'm sure you have valid points, that's great, but posts that are presented like trash get treated as such by most people. I'm trying to help, here...
So in your native tongue, people just type everything in one huge run-on sentence, with no spaces or any logical breaks between paragraphs and sentences? I'm quite worldly in various languages, pray tell me what your native tongue is.
didyoureallythinksomeonewouldreadallthat
btwoverherewedontusespaces.itsjustawasteofspace.
We have BoE epic (supply) which can be sold for AD.
We have Zen that can be sold for AD.
We have AD that can be bought by Zen.
The issue is that we have a major surplus of Epic due to exploits. This cause the epic to be sold on AD at a cheaper price. This "maybe" consider bad for players who wish to farm and sell epic on AH since it is a good source of AD income.
AD has UNLIMITED supply. It can be generate upto 24k a DAY PER PLAYER. So there will always be constant supply for AD. Player with packs can have upto 2.6 MILLIONS AD which cause a major influx on the market (sudden supply)
AD/Zen market is player driven with a hard coded for 50 minimum to 500 max. The price changes according to the players Market/Need.
How does exploiting "destabilized" the market?
One of the way to earn AD is via profession. There are slot which are unlock by levels 30 and 60) and profession level (10/20 and multiple of) and special circumstance. As many players are at 60 due to playing or exploits (some are legit) that means at least 3 slots are open. This help generate the 24k needed per day (not that much but it helps) this means players can inject AD faster and doesn't have to be online to do it.
As you play higher level, it is easier to earn more rough AD per day. this could cause more AD to be injected into the economy.
With the limited AD sink, (at least I don't see many) there is a lot of AD around but not much to buy with, so player can convert AD to zen and buy account stuff (respec, bags, character slots) which is not a sink since it just trade AD/Zen from players to players. Zen get spend by AD still linger.
Would a wipe fix any of this?
the two things it "could fix" is people will have to level to 60 again and earn AD and reset the epic equipment market.
What it won't fix is refund to all the players AD with packs (upto 2.6 mil each account) and all the zen player bought with cash (not with AD)
Problem can cause with wipe would be that players who have not spend a single DIME but unlock multiple character slot and/or open lockboxes with keys will lose out any winning they have. It will be IT nightmare to revert free account to basic again (i.e. take away all the slots and unlocks)
people who were lucky and got mounts will have to start all over again and may not get it.
I think a wipe would cause more harm than good.
Please review my campaign and I'll return the favor.