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Exploits - Is it okay to use them?

joker022189joker022189 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
edited May 2013 in General Discussion (PC)
Aight, I'm asking for the communities opinion on the topic of In-Game Exploits. Is it okay to take advantage of them?

My personal opinion is No, but some of the people I know in game feel it's completely "Ok" too take advantage of them w/out fear of consequences. Further more, feel it would be total Bulls**t if they where to get banned for it.

What are y'alls opinion on the matter?

(Keep it friendly please)
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  • bringerofreddawnbringerofreddawn Member Posts: 109 Bounty Hunter
    edited May 2013
    Should have done a poll ;)
    I will call this right now, majority (likely overwhelming) will be against it.
    Want to get whatever you want without having to do anything? Go play on a private WoW server.
  • adabisiadabisi Member Posts: 101 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    It is a game...when you simplify it to the point of Monopoly...do you wanna play with cheaters?


    I do not.
    Today we fight the GAULS......monstrous and HAIRY beyond reason.
  • bioshrikebioshrike Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 4,729 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    The answer is no.

    Look at section 10 of the ToS: http://www.perfectworld.com/about/terms

    Specifically this part:
    k) Cheat or utilize unauthorized exploits in connection with the Games or the Service;
    (l) Using or exploiting any bugs, errors, or design flaws to obtain unauthorized access to the Service or to gain an unfair advantage over other players,
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    "Is it better to be feared or respected? I say, is it too much to ask for both?" -Tony Stark
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  • bluedarkybluedarky Member Posts: 1,232 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    No, nope, nyet, non and NO!

    If Cryptic believes you are knowingly using Exploits you will get punished for it.
  • xxhumorxxxxhumorxx Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users Posts: 0
    edited May 2013
    Hell, I'd exploit it. I paid $200, and then-some, to play their broken Beta. Why should I be punished for playing what they're calling a Beta? Just doesn't make sense to me, you either release the game, and take blame for all the sh_t going wrong, and actually attempt to fix it. Or sit back, watch the flows of money come in, and have people waste their money to buy astral diamonds to pay for the HAMSTER I've farmed to sell. My personal opinion.

    Course, I've been busy with the Foundry lately, and already did all my Pirate runs without using the exploit, could care less about Drake seals when I have millions of Astral Diamonds.
  • joker022189joker022189 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    bringerofreddawn wrote: »
    Should have done a poll ;)
    I will call this right now, majority (likely overwhelming) will be against it.
    Want to get whatever you want without having to do anything? Go play on a private WoW server.
    Lol, well said
  • undeadrebelundeadrebel Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 13 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Broken Beta...the whole point of having beta in the name is to get the point across that its unfinished,by all means explain to us how something not finished can be broken?
  • lyokiralyokira Member Posts: 882 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Yes, but ONLY for the sole purpose of testing. That may or may not involve using the exploit many times. That should not be communicated to anyone other than people you require to need help testing with. All test procedures and results should be communicated to bug report.
    Suggestion: Thank-you package to include Celestial Coin rewards
    This is an open beta. Start treating it like one.
  • s3pts3pt Member Posts: 177 Bounty Hunter
    edited May 2013
    Depends, if they ban the recent exploiters then no. If they don't ban and just try to sweep it under a rug then they are condoning it.
  • mconosrepmconosrep Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Depends what you mean by is it 'okay' to use exploits.

    If you mean is it fair to exploit and against the Terms of Service and EULA you accepted, then clearly it is not okay.

    If you mean whether you are likely to be caught and punished, well there have been many threads where people have posted screenshots that seem to show another individual was exploiting. I don't think there was ever a case of anyone (apart from Foundry 'exploit' quest makers) getting into trouble even when there was screenshots whose accuracy could easily have been confirmed from game/chat logs. In fact most of the time the threads were closed with a (verbal) rebuke against the posters. So looking at it like that, it does seem unlikely that you will get caught let alone punished........
  • etherealjetherealj Member Posts: 1,091 Bounty Hunter
    edited May 2013
    undeadrebel wrote: »
    Broken Beta...the whole point of having beta in the name is to get the point across that its unfinished,by all means explain to us how something not finished can be broken?

    Really? Objects under construction have components which can be broken. Even if you want to parrot the invincible beta shield line, this game has glaring problems. PWE is building a game with faulty pieces.

    The beta label is a marketing excuse anyway. There are no more character wipes. That's pretty much the definition of release.
    Use the <removed exploit lead-in> to interact with the auction vendor.
  • gremio87gremio87 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    It seems that it is okay to use them, people do that become rich and don't get punished for it, so when you find something exploit the **** out of it.
    I hate exploits but they don't seem to care about them enough to do something so might aswell.
  • bluedarkybluedarky Member Posts: 1,232 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    s3pt wrote: »
    Depends, if they ban the recent exploiters then no. If they don't ban and just try to sweep it under a rug then they are condoning it.

    At the same time we will never get an official response over what will happen to them in accordance with there own policies where they don't discuss disciplinary measures.
  • adabisiadabisi Member Posts: 101 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Another tidbit about bugs and eploitable content......

    Sure we come across, as a community of players, bugs from time to time and especially in BETA. What we do with these bugs is a measure of our character....report them through the proper channels and keep it hush hush or blatantly defy the rules of the game and get all u can in hopes of noone noticing..

    I, for one, have never condoned cheating even in 1 player games with hacks and codes.....What challenge is ther in that? The TRUE I WIN button......booring
    Today we fight the GAULS......monstrous and HAIRY beyond reason.
  • etherealjetherealj Member Posts: 1,091 Bounty Hunter
    edited May 2013
    gremio87 wrote: »
    It seems that it is okay to use them, people do that become rich and don't get punished for it, so when you find something exploit the **** out of it.
    I hate exploits but they don't seem to care about them enough to do something so might aswell.

    If the high profile exploiters go unpunished then PWE's message is "Cheat early, cheat hard, and don't worry about getting caught."
    Use the <removed exploit lead-in> to interact with the auction vendor.
  • robman1978robman1978 Member Posts: 125 Bounty Hunter
    edited May 2013
    s3pt wrote: »
    Depends, if they ban the recent exploiters then no. If they don't ban and just try to sweep it under a rug then they are condoning it.

    Which is what they are doing right now. Copy paste responses and confirmed exploiters are still not banned. Oh that nvy.
  • etherealjetherealj Member Posts: 1,091 Bounty Hunter
    edited May 2013
    bluedarky wrote: »
    At the same time we will never get an official response over what will happen to them in accordance with there own policies where they don't discuss disciplinary measures.

    Community will find out eventually. The odds are though, nothing is getting done.

    Every day that goes by is another day paranoid people will be laundering AD and items. IF PWE really cared? Someone would have flipped a switch and hotfixed last week.
    Use the <removed exploit lead-in> to interact with the auction vendor.
  • sindofinsindofin Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    It's not ok. But if you normally enjoy pickup groups in MMOs, at the current state of Neverwinter's tier 2 epic dungeons, you either play along with groups exploiting, or not play the game at all.
  • rojorrojor Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 178 Bounty Hunter
    edited May 2013
    I'm of the opinion if they find it test it once or twice and report it then there should be no action taken but if they exploit it I.E. 4+times then temp-ban, reset characters to 0 or in cases of game breaking repetitive utilization for blatant avarice then a perma-ban. Don't reward people who break the game and it's economy, break them with the almighty ban-hammer.
  • etherealjetherealj Member Posts: 1,091 Bounty Hunter
    edited May 2013
    sindofin wrote: »
    It's not ok. But if you normally enjoy pickup groups in MMOs, at the current state of Neverwinter's tier 2 epic dungeons, you either play along with groups exploiting, or not play the game at all.

    AD stacking is awesome! Who doesn't enjoy being able to stand in the aoes of 5-6 drow blademasters and not even try to dodge?
    Use the <removed exploit lead-in> to interact with the auction vendor.
  • tarmalentarmalen Member Posts: 1,020 Bounty Hunter
    edited May 2013
    etherealj wrote: »
    Really? Objects under construction have components which can be broken. Even if you want to parrot the invincible beta shield line, this game has glaring problems. PWE is building a game with faulty pieces.

    The beta label is a marketing excuse anyway. There are no more character wipes. That's pretty much the definition of release.

    Hello folks...

    I am here today to educate you on what is and is not said in the above bold line.

    PWE will not wipe characters......Correct

    PWE did not say they would not perform rollbacks....Correct

    PWE did not say they would not perform bans...Correct

    PWE did not say they would would not remove Astral Diamonds...Correct

    PWE did not say they would not remove ill gotten gains...Correct

    Thanks for reading, I hope you have an outstanding experience in Neverwinter.

    *** This is a game. I would know since I have played since the days of Pong.
  • braddassbraddass Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users Posts: 108
    edited May 2013
    Since there were no adverse consequences to exploiting this time, the implication is that exploiting is condoned by Cryptic (which is sad). My expectation is that more people will exploit in the future now that they know there will be no reprocussions for doing so.
    I am a Lawyer in real life, but I try to roleplay an honorable character ;)
  • ambisinisterrambisinisterr Member, Neverwinter Moderator Posts: 10,462 Community Moderator
    edited May 2013
    The answer is simply no. There's no discussion to be had I am afraid.

    In the Terms of Service you will find these two lines:
    k) Cheat or utilize unauthorized exploits in connection with the Games or the Service;
    (l) Using or exploiting any bugs, errors, or design flaws to obtain unauthorized access to the Service or to gain an unfair advantage over other players

    And while you may never know about punishments that doesn't mean punishments haven't or won't be handed out. Exploiting is a serious offense for both the community and Cryptic/PWE. If you decide to attempt to exploit the game be prepared to take the consequences. :)
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