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No Love for Fighters
zardoz007
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Do Fighters need to be fixed or Do the other classes need a fix?
The GWF has such a poor reputation from all those players that have tried leveling it, And then there usefulness in a group comes into question at lv 60.
Can't solo bosses like rogue, Can't make threat like GF, can't crowd control like CW.
To me the GWF has become the Garbage Man. That is all they are good for they clean up the trash good (Only if you are a heavily focused damage spec) But other players don't want someone that helps clear the way to the boss. Everyone can do that. Fighting the Boss is the hard part and so players want 2 clerics , 2 Wizards and a rogue.
And look what happened there the GF gets completely left out of the loop? And why is that? because tanking and holding threat is very difficult in this game. You once again Must be full DPS build because more damage means more threat. Since you lowly threat moves increase threat by a % based on the damage you are doing.
There is no "Taunt" in the game. It says Enforced threat "Taunts" but it only marks and does not pull mobs away form attacking your cleric. It says the Stab at will "Taunts" but it does not even mark the only use for it is you can stab while having your shield up meaning you wont lose your mark on the target you are fighting because that target can't hit you. (P.S you lose your mark if a marked target hits you if you did not already know)
So this is the question Do fighters need a fix? does the GF need more threat options, is there tank spec and pure defense focus build even viable? Should it be?
Does the GWF need to do more damage, does the GWF need control powers or more threat in order to support his group better? Or is spamming those superfast at-wills all day really what the GWF should be about and nothing else?
Or is the reason why the fighters are being put on the sidelines because the other classes are too good? Cleric Astral shield stacking, Wizards doing more damage than the fighters while paralyzing groups of mobs and rogues for super kill all single target DPS while avoiding damage like a pro.
The GWF has such a poor reputation from all those players that have tried leveling it, And then there usefulness in a group comes into question at lv 60.
Can't solo bosses like rogue, Can't make threat like GF, can't crowd control like CW.
To me the GWF has become the Garbage Man. That is all they are good for they clean up the trash good (Only if you are a heavily focused damage spec) But other players don't want someone that helps clear the way to the boss. Everyone can do that. Fighting the Boss is the hard part and so players want 2 clerics , 2 Wizards and a rogue.
And look what happened there the GF gets completely left out of the loop? And why is that? because tanking and holding threat is very difficult in this game. You once again Must be full DPS build because more damage means more threat. Since you lowly threat moves increase threat by a % based on the damage you are doing.
There is no "Taunt" in the game. It says Enforced threat "Taunts" but it only marks and does not pull mobs away form attacking your cleric. It says the Stab at will "Taunts" but it does not even mark the only use for it is you can stab while having your shield up meaning you wont lose your mark on the target you are fighting because that target can't hit you. (P.S you lose your mark if a marked target hits you if you did not already know)
So this is the question Do fighters need a fix? does the GF need more threat options, is there tank spec and pure defense focus build even viable? Should it be?
Does the GWF need to do more damage, does the GWF need control powers or more threat in order to support his group better? Or is spamming those superfast at-wills all day really what the GWF should be about and nothing else?
Or is the reason why the fighters are being put on the sidelines because the other classes are too good? Cleric Astral shield stacking, Wizards doing more damage than the fighters while paralyzing groups of mobs and rogues for super kill all single target DPS while avoiding damage like a pro.
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To play a fighter correctly either GF or GWF you need to focus on damage first. IF you take the defensive path on either fighter all you will do is chase mobs that have no interest you. Meaning all your defense powers never help your group, you never tank.
So learning to play fighter is basically know what you can do and what the fighter can't do even though from all other MMO experience you would assume a fighter could stack Defense and still hold mobs attention to take hits so his other party members wont have too.
And any class that has lots of options to choose from but only one set of those options is effective is a problem. Because there should be pros and cons to all choices you make in the game but they should all be playable and be effective.
Great job Blizza... hm...
Fix the agro system, then you can nerf the weak. Not before. Jeez.
Edit:
Clarification added to the patch note.
Clarification: The change to Guardian Fighters is not a balance change and does not affect damage output for that class under normal circumstances. This fixes a very rare circumstance where damage would be calculated incorrectly to a significant degree. Most players have never experienced this, however, those who have know that it was significant enough to warrant a fix ASAP. Thanks to all the players who requested clarification on this!
GOOD. Still. Remove that f'ing blue shield....
1) The class is just bad at low levels and takes a while to become effective
2) Lack of versatility in builds (Sentinel build can provide good mitigation but can't function properly as tank/off tank due to threat generation issues) making dps builds the only viable ones
3) Playstyle. Fighter type classes tend to presented as the most beginner friendly class in a lot of games while the GWF is decidedly not.
4) Gamers expecting fighters to relatively simple and straightforward classes to play (as they tend to be in other games) but is not the case here.
On a lighter note: we should be thankful this is not based on 3.0/3.d DnD where fighters are even worse off compared to just about every class:rolleyes:
GWF aoe dps can hold up, but he is awful at anything else.
If class is good for 1 thing only, there mustn't be other class good at same thing + other stuff as bonus.
Like GF, there is no other tank atm. Broken aggro will get fixed hopefully.
Seze - Rogue - Necropolis -
I have never felt more useless than when I fought the Dracolich in Castle Never where my 'role' was that of Herder to drag the mobs that spawn on one side of the dragon to the other so the wizard and cleric could take care of them. Sure I whacked the Dragon some but most the time I was herding for the Wizard.